Lima on edge after police kill woman, wound 1-year-old child in drug raid

ToledoBlade.Com ^ | Jan 6,2008 | By IGNAZIO MESSINA and ERICA BLAKE

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LIMA, Ohio — Darla Jennings walked through the streets of south Lima last night sobbing as hundreds of people behind her called for justice after the shooting of her daughter, who was killed by police as she held her baby. Tarika Wilson, 26, was shot and her 1-year-old son was wounded when Lima police conducted a drug raid on their home Friday night, prompting members of the black community to organize a candlelight vigil and demand answers from police. "They shot my daughter and her baby," Ms. Jennings said through tears while being consoled by other family members.

[Gilbo_3]

If your home was breached in error, (possible but not deliberate), due process is established for your reparation.

when all you have is un-Constitutional lawyerspeak and 'its the law, its my job' as a defense for killing my family.

My only reasonable action would be to HUNT YOU and gain 'reparations'.

You might wanna chew on them cornflakes before your next blindly followed 'order' to kick down a door at dark thirty Fritz...

[budwiesest]

Having a SWAT Team on every corner actually helps their cause more that ours, and puts the government at war with many otherwise normal citizens.

You just nailed it! See, lots-o-folks don't want to think their government would ever take steps to harm them. All of these incidents are conditioning us to accept the role that a very ugly, totalitarian government will impose when our constitution has been thoroughly discarded.

Expect these denials of rights to continue while increasing in pace. War on Drugs, War on Guns, it's all backdoor liberalism designed to re-make America into the society that would have existed pre-revolution. Given the inroads they've made in our lives, I'd say America is dead.

Efforts to revive Lady Liberty would be gargantuan. If no federal effort is forthcoming to rein in these Barney Fife SWAT operations, the message should be quite clear: "we approve of this message".

America is dead, the Police State is alive. I hate boiling the message down to this but can no longer ignore the obvious. Both the Left and the Right have denigrated our charter in such ways that it is unrecognizable anymore. It's as if MADD re-wrote the bill of rights. If it's that damn easy, why not let the Taliban re-write ladies wear?

[Gilbo_3]

Good people have been fighting evil for THOUSANDS of years

Only sensible statement Ive seen yet. Exactly how do you 'MAKE' someone stop using any substance, much less addictive ones, other than executing them ???

tinkering with the economics of the drug problem only complicates it, and only benefits those who seek control of the peasants...

[Riverman94610]

I must confess my bias against drugs,including weed,stems from my time”in the game”many years ago.I just saw way too many people get hung up on that poison,including myself.
They say smoking marijuana does not lead to harder drugs yet my own experiences showed me that ALL the pot smokers went on to bigger”kicks”.I am not saying they all became hopeless junkies.Hell,I got clean without any help from “therapists”.I just got sick of all the shady people and their amoral ways.
I spent time with hard core ghetto folks as well as hanging around with lots of decadent rich white kids.One thing they all had in common was their vanity and childlike need to “feel good”.
They were cowards who couldn’t face life as the harsh struggle that it is.

[Riverman94610]

Oh,and Tarika reminded me of some folks I used to know in New Orleans back in the day.While the parents were getting high in the next room blasting Parliament on the box,I was trying to console a half dozen small black kids who could not for the life of them understand why mommy and daddy weren’t there to hear their cries of hunger.
I left the city shortly after that but I have a feeling that those little angels I knew eventually emulated their parents and ended up very often as merchants of the poison that made them essentially parentless.

[Gilbo_3]

You mean the drug traffickers who target kids not only as clients but to help sell their drugs

please dont waste time with the sky is falling/worst cases of scumbags. these types will do anything to anybody, drugs or no drugs.

What I have been, and seen and still see regularly volunteering at the local jail are people that buy or produce a little bit to support their own use, sell a little to save $$$.

Tinkering with the economics breeds an industry with a much higher threshold of risk/reward.

Dui runs along the same lines, a bunch of suits decided to 'make a law' and generate $$$, hasnt slowed the problem one bit...

[budwiesest]

my own experiences showed me that ALL the pot smokers went on to bigger”kicks”.

You just broke my BS meter.

They were cowards who couldn’t face life as the harsh struggle that it is.

So, let's make life a little 'harsher' for them. Rather than defending individual rights, let's give the state the power to destroy their lives incrementally. $50 bucks for talking on your cell phone while driving.

"We're only trying to help you." kma

[When do we get liberated?]

Um, a bit confused....I haven’t knocked down any doors...was that post aimed at me?

[When do we get liberated?]

O.K. the Taliban rewriting ladies wear is where I draw the line!

[Gilbo_3]

weed prices went through the roof, coke may have declined with the rise in crack, meth etc

I know that my allergies break the bank with sudaphed...

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I just got sick of all the shady people and their amoral ways.

Very well said. Drugs and alcohol affect your judgement and you become willing to do things you would not do if you are sober. Glad you made it through it. I had similar experiences although not in any kind of low income environment.

I often think that where previous generations had WWII or Korea, my generation's cross to bear was the large scale introduction to drugs to this country. When I was growing up parents knew nothing, which meant that as children, were totally defenseless against it.

I think the problem is that now parent's expect the government to protect their children from drugs. Katrina should tell us otherwise. Parents are responsible for this and are actually better equipped since they know something about the drugs my parents did not.

They were cowards who couldn’t face life as the harsh struggle that it is.

I was lucky in that it never interfered with my ability to acheive at work or school, but I saw many that were.

My whole belief about the way the WOD has evolved is that that overall, the cure is worse than the disease, and its time to try another approach.

[Gilbo_3]

While I dont hold a bias, believing now that we all must walk our path, I also have seen way too many bad times along with the feel good days gone by.

Those who think they are standing on high ground, looking down their noses would have me be their slave to pay for my mis guided youth...

[kcvl]

What I have been, and seen and still see regularly volunteering at the local jail are people that buy or produce a little bit to support their own use, sell a little to save $$$.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. No matter how trivial you try to make it.

I guess it's okay with you if someone just takes a little of someone's money when they rob them?

[Tenniel2]

Sometimes Google is our friend:

In a buckeye nutshell, Ohio State University has four regional campuses, one of them in Lima. All of the regionals offer business majors and minors, through the Fisher College of Business. The calendar for the current business courses runs from autumn 2006 through spring 2007. Application deadline for the Autumn 2006 session was June 1, 2006. Deadline for the Spring 2007 session was December 1, 2006.

General info is at http://fisher.osu.edu/programs/undergraduate/regional-programs/admissions, and the business-specialization application form is at http://fisher.osu.edu/supplements/10/489/NEWApp06BSBA.pdf.

According to the form (which, incidentally, requires copies of recent transcripts and test results), admission is limited to current OSU students. And although a GPA of 2.0 is the minimum, the app says that "it is not anticipated that students will be admitted for Spring Quarter 2007 and forward with less than a 3.00 GPA."

Maybe some enterprising digger could take it from here. But for now, it appears that if Ms. Wilson was going to start business classes on any imminent Monday, 'twarn't at OSU.

[Gilbo_3]

my apologies, I included you because of the banter being thrown your way.

although the incident in your place wasnt deadly, like you said, it easily couldve been.

I'm a citizen, not a subject, I havent done drugs in years, but still have family and friends that do. If a snitch, or good intel brings the gestapo to my door and my wife or kids are hurt, I will get 'reparations'.

Maybe if the statists hear this a little more often, they may pause once in awhile...

[Gilbo_3]

I guess it's okay with you if someone just takes a little of someone's money when they rob them?

thats where your 'its the law' thingy should come into play. Instead of giving the bed to a drug offender [based on un-constitutional law] we could lock up real criminals and keep them off the streets...

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Breaking the law is breaking the law. No matter how trivial you try to make it.

Laws are made by men. They are not a Holy Grail. My grandfather ran beer during Prohibition and the Great Depression, but he is still the finest man I have ever known or met. He taught "live and let live".

Defiance of unjust authority is partly what made this country, otherwise we would still be a colony of England. Any laws that pit one section of society against another eventually result in either change, or conflict and then change. We are in the conflict phase.

[Gilbo_3]

Well stated...

[kcvl]

I happen to think real criminals are drug dealers.

If you don’t like the law then change it. Otherwise, obey it or get locked up.

[kcvl]

Tell that to this child and the taxpayers who pay the bills.

Exposed to the drug in the womb and born addicted to crack cocaine, this child experiences severe withdrawal symptoms. Conservative estimates suggest that at least 11 percent of all newborns in the United States today were exposed in the womb to one or more illicit drugs. The number is even higher in urban areas. Birth and hospitalization of a normal newborn cost approximately $2,000. Birth and hospital care of a crack exposed neonate, with round-the-clock nursing, monitors, blood and urine tests, high-tech equipment and social service evaluations, costs $11,000. Who pays the bill? The government, since crack-addicted mothers are unlikely to carry insurance.