Lawyer who beat IRS sues agents (Abolish The IRS With The Fair Tax!)

A lawyer who was acquitted by a federal court trial jury of Internal Revenue Service accusations he failed to filed income tax returns for two years now is suing several IRS agents over their alleged improper disclosure of his personal information in the case.

A spokeswoman in the office of lawyer Tom Cryer told WND the case was assembled and filed by Cryer between Christmas Day and the end of 2007 and is expected to be placed on the docket in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Louisiana.

Last summer in federal court a jury voted 12-0 to find Cryer, of Shreveport, not guilty of the IRS allegations. He had been indicted on 2006 on government claims he failed to pay $73,000 to the IRS in 2000 and 2001.

His successful defense was based on a challenge to the IRS to prove a constitutional foundation for the nation's income tax.

Now his claim against the government's agents, according to a report in the Shreveport Times, explains four IRS criminal investigation division workers tried to destroy his reputation during the course of their investigation in the case.

The lawsuit alleges IRS agents Jimmy H. Sandefur, Darrin A. Heusel and Judge Armand, and a trainee, Patrick Potter "entered into a smear and fear campaign to destroy Plaintiff's good reputation and law practice."

Cryer alleges the federal workers repeatedly violated federal laws that restrict the disclosure of tax information, release of information about an investigation and publicizing information about a grand jury investigation.

The report said Cryer's lawsuit alleges the agents continually raised those issues in telephone calls, during personal visits and in letters exchanged with Cryer's clients during their investigation.

The action seeks $1,000 in damages for each incident in which a federal agent compromised Cryer's confidential information.

Most people will end up in prison, it doesn’t matter whether the law is missing or whether it is carried out unlawfully, prison is the likely result.

That's the bottom line.

If someone thinks he's gonna "fine print" the IRS into a corner, he will end up with one of a finite number of results.

He may get "lost between the cracks" -- the IRS is a big, disorganized organization. Lots of people have filed all sorts of bogus crap, and IRS has routinely complied with the filings -- even to the point of sending them huge checks. This does not mean that their "theories" were correct. It merely means that the IRS is so fuster-clucked that they can't even hope to catch everyone who sets out to game the system.

Or, if he makes enough noise about it, they will decide to make an example of him. You don't want to be standing too close to him when the ground opens up beneath him.

Or, he may luck out -- find a jury that listens to everyone go through their presentations, and then sits down to deliberate, and decides to sock it to the IRS. This too does not mean that his "theories" were correct. It merely means that he had the luck of the draw, and found a jury that decided to give him a break. How does that work? Ask O.J.

I once had a friend who bought into the program. Before he went for it, he brought me a load of crap that some "expert" was pitching, and asked for my opinion on it. So, I sat through a gawdawful videotaped presentation (I swear, "Professor" Irwin Corey could have done a better job than that piece of work), and I read through all the "literature" they had provided my friend.

The funny thing, though, was that the lynchpin of their "proof" was an ancient "government document" that "proved" that the IRS was merely a private company.

What was so funny about it? Well, what was funny about it was that the thing was illegible! It was a badly photocopied and apparently multiple-generation reduction of the original filing. It was a "genuine government document" alright -- but it could NOT be read!

I spent several hours doing intensive "cryptoanalysis" on the damn thing. Little by little, I was able to decipher it. SOME letters were legible -- barely. I was able to, using those as a starting point, figure out what the other letters were, based on their general shape/size and context, and at the end, I had an accurate TEXT copy of the original document.

Guess what?

It was indeed a genuine filing -- of an actual company -- with "IRS" in its name. But, it was not the IRS.

It was some obscure company that was in the business of printing copies of IRS forms (apparently, Way Back When, you had to supply your own forms when filling out your tax returns (you can STILL do that, BTW -- that's exactly what you're doing when your income tax software prints up filled-out copies of your returns).

This company had a name something like "IRS Forms Corporation" or somesuch -- and, their incorporation papers explained that their business consisted of printing up various forms, such as IRS tax forms.

Wow.

So, my friend asked what I thought of it all, and I told him. It was BS. It was a racket. A scam. He should run away from it as fast as he could.

So what did he do?

Why, he signed up for the program, of course. (I swear, why someone would ask my opinion on something -- and put me to hundreds of dollars worth of FREE consulting work analyzing the material -- and then IGNORE what I said -- is beyond me. C'est la vie.)

Oh, it worked great, though. He was vindicated! He followed their intricate steps to the letter -- filled out a claim, mailed it to the IRS, "detaxing" himself, and, they mailed him a check for some huge amount of money, apparently the total of everything he'd ever paid them.

Oh, gee, didn't I feel stupid. No? Well, why NOT? I mean, I was supposed to feel stupid, right?

Well, maybe not.

It wasn't all that much later that he heard back from the IRS. They'd eventually figured out what he'd pulled. (My guess is that when they busted the crooks running "the program" they got a list of all their victims, and then simply went down the list, plink, plink, plink, like shooting fish in a barrel. (What kind of fish? Suckers, of course.)

The IRS was real nice to the guy. They let him off easy. All they did was take away all his money and leave him indebted to them for probably the rest of his life, or darn near close to it. "Nice"? Yeah, "nice" -- they didn't take his house, and they didn't toss him into the pokey. He got off easy. They probably felt sorry for him -- after they finished chuckling until their sides hurt, snickering, catching their breath, going, "Detaxed? Detaxed? Oh my god, the man 'detaxed himself!" as they rolled on the floor in hysterical fits of laughter.

So, yeah, my friend DID "detax" himself. And, when he "followed the directions to the letter" the IRS really DID send him a huge check for the taxes he'd paid them. And then, when they realized that he'd filed a fraudulent document, claiming (probably under oath) that he had INCORRECTLY paid all those taxes, that he was NOT someone liable for the taxes -- and their messed-up system went ahead and took it at face value and spit out a check for him -- they had him for lunch.

I will never forget how stupid I was considered -- how stupid, how cynical, how "unwilling to believe" the "obvious facts" laid out in the presentation -- especially after I was "proven" wrong, because "it really does work!"

I will also never forget when I found out -- third hand (from the mutual friend who acted as intermediary to hand me the materials -- and who almost bought into the racket too, but apparently couldn't afford their fee -- lucky guy!) -- that Mr. Detaxed Guy was sitting there in abject terror, wondering if he was going to be hauled off to prison -- like the jokers who'd taken his money to sell him the "detaxing program."

You go right ahead, make your own decisions. But don't expect folks like me to stand silently by as you woo others into gambling with the lives of their families. The IRS does not have any compunctions about putting the wives and childred of these suckers out in the street -- and the odds of finding a pissed-off jury are not all that great (which is why it's such news on the rare occasion that a jury does side with the sucker).

Does the income tax suck? Of course it does.

Is it worth gambling with your life, to avoid "paying Caesar what's Caesar's"? Maybe. It's not worth gambling MY life away, but hey, maybe YOUR life has a different value placed on it by you than mine has, placed there by me.

What I said applies to the poster I responded to. It is not applicable to your experience with scammers.

Tom Cryer is by no means any type of scammer. He beat the IRS he because convinced the jury that his research had led him to believe there was no liability for personal income tax.

The court transcripts have been posted. You can read through them and arrive at the same conclusion as the jury. As you will see he was not a scammer in any sense.

But he IS a trial lawyer and an axtremely knowledgeable lawyer. Most people do not have a fraction of a fraction of his legal knowledge. That is why he survived. He anticipated the moves against him and he countered brilliantly.

Most people do not possess the legal tactical mastery of Cryer and that is why they will lose even if they believe the same arguments. Most people cannot navigate the court system as Cryer did.

That is why I told the poster it does not matter what the arguments are, they don’t matter. It is a game of power and most people that end up in court do not have the power.

The IRS is deceptive. They falsely brag that they win a large percentage of cases even as much as 100%. But they neglect to include the cases that were settled out of court to the advantage of the taxpayer. They often bow out at the last minute on a ‘technicality’. They do this to preserve their false ‘100%’ record against those ‘cheats’ and ‘Tax Protestors’.

It’s similar to claiming a drug is effective in a clinical trial because all the people that got sick from it or did not respond to it dropped out of the trial.

The people the IRS leaves to Tax Court are generally poor or poorly prepared, or they are fringe or borderline loons. These are the cases the IRS parades around like a savage holding a scalp in the air.

The bottomline is the IRS wins by coercion. Yes, they have us scared. We know we should bow before them.

And that is why they will go away:

http://www.fairtax.org

Oh my God. How stupid are you? The thread was about a tax protester. Jim asked if there was a link with the actual court documents on it. I posted it for him. HOW DOES THAT MEAN I SUPPORT IT? Do not hurt your self jumping to conclusion. BTW just for your education:

University:

A university is an institution of higher education and research, which grants academic degrees at all levels (associate, bachelor, master, and doctorate) in a variety of subjects. A university provides both undergraduate education and postgraduate education. The word university is derived from the Latin universitas magistrorum et scholarium, roughly meaning "community of teachers and scholars".[1]

Junior College:

the United States, a junior college (informally, a juco) is a two-year post-secondary school whose main purpose is to provide academic, vocational and professional education. The highest certificate offered by such schools is usually an associate's degree, although many junior college students continue their education at a university or college, transferring some or all of the credit earned at the junior college toward the degree requirements of the four-year school.

If someone had asked for any other post like for example - stupid women from the East coast who call themselves "babe' I would of supplied that. I also have read the Wesley Snipes case along with several other court cases this week. Does not mean I support or condone any of them. I even read one from 1889 this week. How much studying did you do or are you comfortable that you already know everything? Since you do not know the difference between a junior college and a university maybe you should do some more studying.

Again with your learning disorder:

Source The hucksters site:

The Fair Tax's origin is from three very successful Texas businessmen (free market) who in the early 1990's assisted funding millions of dollars towards research from a group of economists to come up with the best plan for tax reform. These economist were from top Colleges/Universities such as Harvard, MIT, Standford, University of Maryland, Boston University, Rice University and also from the Heritage Foundation, The National Bureau of Economic Research and CATO Institute. The economists were funded by the businessmen but the economists came up with the Fair Tax (free market) using their expertise. After the research was done and tested the majority of people tested preferred the Fair Tax and to have the current tax system replaced by the Fair Tax.

Your boy Koolaidof is specifically mentioned. Also from wiki (to make it easier for you):

The origins of the FairTax began with a group of businessmen from Houston, Texas, who initially financed what has become the non-partisan political advocacy group Americans For Fair Taxation (AFFT), which has grown into a large grassroots tax reform movement.[12] This organization, founded in 1994, claims to have spent over $20 million in research,[95] marketing, lobbying, and organizing efforts over a ten year period and is seeking to raise over $100 million more to promote the plan. AFFT includes a staff in Houston and a large group of volunteers who are working to get the FairTax enacted.

And yes i do think the East is intolerant and believes that the country ends at the Mississippi. you would seem to be one of those narrow minded snobs.

BTW when were you going to show me the posts for when Iallegedly made all those terrible statements and aaasumptions?

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