Posted on 01/04/2008 5:06:16 AM PST by Man50D
To those who are not SQLs, the answer is obvious.You're right. It doesn't matter what kind of childish acronym you want to use, Huckabee's record of love for taxes and lack of conservatism obviously speaks for itself.
Huckabee BTW is not the only Presidential candidate who supports the FairTax. He has just been the most vocal about the issue.What does that tell you about the other candidate's "support" for the Fairtax?
You call it support, I call it a dangling carrot for the asses donkeys.
BTW, either s/he has an alter-ego or, for some reason, the originator of that childish acronym is posting under a different screen name.
You sound like Ed “show me the law” Brown.”
You sound like the cop who said if he was ordered, he would take his neighbor’s guns by deadly force if he had to and then go to the next house and do the same.
The almighty law.
I pay the taxes the govt. says I owe because there aren’t enough people in the country with enough guts to throw the tea in the harbor and God says I can’t just shoot the ones that deserve to be shot.
I don’t mind paying for good things for the country, but at least half of what I pay gets wasted and stolen.
Do you believe it’s right for them to tax the money you make,then tax the things you buy with money you already paid taxes on, then tax the property you bought with money you already paid taxes on, tax you to add anything to your home, tax you on the gas you buy, the electricity you use, tax you to use a phone, tax you to own a car, etc., etc., and then when you die, tax the hell out of your wife and kids to hold on to what you accomplished in life in spite of all the taxes?
You sound like you have no sympathy for Ed Brown, but that is probably because you never break any laws.
Personally, I don’t think you’re on FR because you’re a conservative.
You're quite right, in fact, I have less than no sympathy for Ed family: Brown [incarcerated] because he's a dumber-than-concrete blowhard and common criminal. Not to mention that he's a leech (he lived off his wife's dental practice income) and is responsible for the fact that she will also spend the rest of her life in federal prison. And then there are his 4 indicted idiot "supporters" who will also probably spend at least 30 YEARS apiece in prison for aiding and abetting his weapons and pipe-bomb exploits during his childish stand-off. What a guy.
Personally, I don’t think you’re on FR because you’re a conservative.
One, you know nothing about me, and, two, I really don't care what you think about me. I supported Nixon when I was 8, but that was before I knew what a RINO was, which would be a charitable description of Tricky.
What I take exception to is ridiculous junk like "show me the law" and all other manner of stupid tax protester garbage. That delusional stuff puts people in prison and ruins lives.
In any case, you've been shown. Don't like it? Neither do I. But, that's the way it is until the law is changed. Get over it.
Cryer didn't say the income tax doesn't exist. There is some income that is taxable, but most is not for individuals who work for a living.
When Cryer asked the IRS witnesses to cite the law that required him to pay taxes for the income related to his work, the IRS couldn't, or refused to show him or the jury the law.
What is an honest juror to do when the defendant only asks the government to cite the law being violated and the government can't do it?
“Huckabee’s record of love for taxes and lack of conservatism obviously speaks for itself.”
So it is Huckabee’s “love for taxes and lack of conservatism” which explains his campaign having more momentum at the present time than any other Republican candidate? Thanks for the insight.
“What does that tell you about the other candidate’s ‘support’ for the Fairtax?”
It tells me that they made a different political calculation than Huckabee did. I am sure that they weighed the fact that most Americans still don’t know what the proposal is and that it is relatively easy to demagogue (much to the delight of the SQLs on Free Republic). Fred Thompson is one who considered adopting the FT and ultimately decided against it. Given the relative momentum of the two campaigns, it is a decision that he may come to regret.
LOL.
We already know you can't provide a single cite to even one word of your ridiculous and laughable claims, because they don't exist, not even in your fevered imagination.
Are you really as ignorant and/or stupid as your pitiful statements make you out to be?
when he was acquitted there were a couple of threads concerning the case that included links to many of the pleadings and reports of the case. Maybe you weren't around for it.
Since you think you are so smart, maybe you can point to the law that requires individual who exchange their efforts for compensation are required to pay taxes on that money. Good luck.
>>So basically I think this suit is one more crazy stunt by people who put their energy into pretending income tax doesn’t exist instead of trying to reform the system.
When Cryer asked the IRS witnesses to cite the law that required him to pay taxes for the income related to his work, the IRS couldn’t, or refused to show him or the jury the law.
What is an honest juror to do when the defendant only asks the government to cite the law being violated and the government can’t do it?<<
I don’t believe that is an accurate depiction. After his motion to dismiss based on income not being taxable was dismissed, Cryer never said to the jury that his income was not taxable. he said he honestly didn’t think he owed taxes so that when it turned out he did, it was not willful and therefore he should not be convicted of evasion but should just be allowed to pay his taxes.
“The Fairtax is an unworkable cobbled up dream”
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If the Income Tax just appeared out of the blue today and you saw that you needed a full sized truck to carry all of the documents that define it how would you characterize that?
At least you can acknowledge that the fairtax would get gov’t out of our everyday decisionmaking processes. It would give us back a marketplace undistorted by special exemptions and setasides and it is actually constitutional ,, unlike the Income Tax (a Marxist creation) that had to have it’s own ammendment to be passed.. I am unhappy that it takes 23% of GDP to fund the Federal gov’t ,, that is too high by a factor of at least 5 but that is todays reality ,,, after we get reform in place then we can work on the next step.
Really?
Who cares if I was around for that.
What I said was that you can't provide a single cite. And, of course, you still have failed to do so.
Not only haven't you provided anything yet, you never will, because it doesn't exist.
Since you think you are so smart
Well, I'm pretty obviously quite a lot smarter than you are, or, at the very least, more knowledgable about the state of federal tax law and how the idiotic Cryer interacted with it.
maybe you can point to the law that requires individual who exchange their efforts for compensation are required to pay taxes on that money. Good luck.
Perhaps you, in your abysmal, concrete-like ignorance, should look a few posts above, where it was conclusively demonstrated to the last idiot who said "show me the law" that the law requires anyone who receives "compensation" to pay taxes on that money.
Got any more stupid questions or statements? I can't wait for your next gem.
That's close, but not quite.
Cryer wasn't accused of "evasion." He was charged with willful failure to file, which is a misdemeanor, not a felony. He convinced the jury that he had a good-faith belief that he didn't have to file. That's the "Cheek" defense. It only works once, and it only gets you off the criminal hook, it has no effect on whether you owe the tax.
It was obviously a really, really stupid jury that bought that story, but that happens. After all, Cryer is a lawyer, although probably not for long. Then again, it is Louisiana, so who knows? He may practice his version of "law" until he dies of old age.
You're correct that Cryer owes every single penny of tax, penalty and interest. From that there is no escape, from a jury or otherwise. Just ask Vernice Kuglin, who also won her criminal trial on a "Cheek" defense, but whose wages are being garnished to this day. "I'm too stupid to understand" the law doesn't get you too far in the real world.
The miscellaneous assorted idiot TP-wannabes on this thread, who make all the TP noises but pay their taxes will be very distressed to find out that their "hero" of the day is full of it up to his ears.
I can't wait for them to burp up their next falsehood.
>>Cryer never said to the jury that his income was not taxable. he said he honestly didn’t think he owed taxes so that when it turned out he did, it was not willful and therefore he should not be convicted of evasion but should just be allowed to pay his taxes.
Cryer wasn’t accused of “evasion.” He was charged with willful failure to file, which is a misdemeanor, not a felony. He convinced the jury that he had a good-faith belief that he didn’t have to file. That’s the “Cheek” defense. It only works once, and it only gets you off the criminal hook, it has no effect on whether you owe the tax.
It was obviously a really, really stupid jury that bought that story, but that happens. After all, Cryer is a lawyer, although probably not for long. Then again, it is Louisiana, so who knows? He may practice his version of “law” until he dies of old age. <<
Thank you for catching my error.
Unless you had other income, the $12,000 would not have any income tax due. If, however, you worked as self-employed contractor, you would owe some 15% SS & Medicare on that income. Is this the case?
Check out tis link and read his 109 page memorandum. I have, and he makes a very sound argumant.
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/07/lawyertax-prote.html
No, not as far as I’m concerned. The IRS *may* be thinking that, but I don’t really know. I didn’t report it that way. I was self-employed for more than 25 years and reported as such, with a Sched C and other attachments.
Then I went broke, thanks to the rent being doubled on my house/office that I had leased for 10 years, and got sick all at the same time, almost 4 years ago. I was homeless and penniless except for a small amount of oil & gas income. I figured it up and realized I could potentially live on it until my life got “fixed.”
Lost everything related to both of my businesses, so that income was also lost. Sold my car to pay movers, got a cheap apt, put all my things in storage and lived on $100/month. Oil went up last year and now I live on $150/month, sometimes $200. Cannot afford doctor, had already let my insurance go when I started my 2nd business - hadn’t had any claims in 20 years.
Now I am so asthmatic (or worse) that I can barely walk, but am able to get across the street to a Walgreen’s and a grocery store every two weeks. My income goes to my PO Box I’d had for 20 years, several miles away, but I won’t ride the bus any longer because of some bad things that almost happened to me, plus getting sick all the time.
A former neighbor (moonbat) used to take me to my PO Box and to the bank once a month to get my money and do my banking, but she got mad that I get money from “Big Oil” and quit. Now I have to pay $30-40 cab fare once a month to get my money and put it in the bank.
The former neighbor refused to take me to the DMV to get my DL renewed, so I don’t even have that anymore and can’t get notarizations for my O&G documents, so have lost some income. (Can’t even vote anymore, which is why I’m not on the political threads.)
So, I don’t consider the O&G income as self-employment income, I report on Sched E as always. I have almost 0 expenses against it - maybe an LD phone call a year.
Also, because of that, the couple of years before I went broke, I lived without income, building my 2nd business and used this extra (O&G royalties) to pay other living expenses - so didn’t call it SE. Thus, SS wrote me out of the clear blue sky to tell me I’m not eligible for anything, because they think I made too little income those years!
(And FWIW, I can’t get any help from any govt because of my assets and they wanted me to sign them over to the state or liquidate them to 0. I’d be dead if I had done that 4 years ago - but now I’m being penalized. I thought the oil companies were withholding 28% for taxes, so I reported it that way - evidently, they weren’t.)
It is pretty well known that for someone to collect SS from disability you need to hire an attorney well versed on that law and have them appeal the your adverse ruling. They almost always say no.
I know that - I didn’t ask them.
With extremely rare exception, every person who has ever filed for SS disability and hired a lawyer has thrown money away.
The only cases in which a lawyer is helpful are those in which the claimant is mentally unable to complete a few forms and/or show up to consultative exams or the ALJ office on time.
Far, far more dib claims are approved initially than on appeal.
It’s been almost six months since Cryer was acquitted.
I can’t find anything on the net indicating that the IRS is trying to collect taxes from Cryer. Why do you think they have not taken action yet if Cryer owes the taxes? Could it be that they are unwilling to risk a civil action to collect? As you must know, any action to collect now would result in a decision at the trial or appellate court level that would be far worse than just ‘forgetting’ about Cryer. Once the matter would be decided by a federal appeals court, the flood gates would open.
It’s been almost six months since Cryer was acquitted.
I can’t find anything on the net indicating that the IRS is trying to collect taxes from Cryer. Why do you think they have not taken action yet if Cryer owes the taxes? Could it be that they are unwilling to risk a civil action to collect? As you must know, any action to collect now would result in a decision at the trial or appellate court level that would be far worse than just ‘forgetting’ about Cryer. Once the matter would be decided by a federal appeals court, the flood gates would open.
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