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To: HereInTheHeartland; doug from upland

I hate to be a Paul defender, especially since I disagree with his answer.

But I don’t think it is a disqualifying answer, or an answer that indicates lunacy.

There are a lot of nations who have nuclear weapons, and unfortunately given the nature of progress any nation who wants them will eventually have them.

So the question is, what authority does the United States government have in preventing a particular country from obtaining those weapons? We would answer “our national security”, but that presupposes that Iran would use the weapons against us.

Which is a risk I don’t want to take, and I guess that’s the point, but first, does that mere risk give us authority to attack and destroy ships of other soveriegn nations that are not themselves violating international OR U.S. Law?

And second, does the constitutional authority exist to attack the vessel of a foreign country with which we are not at war, in order to prevent a shipment of a legal but lethal cargo to another country with which we are not at war?

Note this — if we have the authority to stop the shipment of nuclear weapons to Iran, then by logic we must also have the authority to bomb Iran itself if they have developed a nuclear weapon. One is easier than the other, but they are the same act of war.

If we destroyed a ship from North Korea, would not North Korea have the right to defend that ship? What recourse would we have if they, in defending that ship, torpedoed one of our aircraft carriers?

Realise that we probably could prevent NK from actually doing any real damage, but they certainly would have the moral authority to take action in response to an act of war, which attacking one of their ships would certainly be.

I know the answer to this from our perspective, but why do the current nuclear states have the right to possess nuclear weapons without provoking an attack from us, but Iran does not? Is it not possible, or even likely, that Iran is threatened by a possible shia takeover of Pakistan, which has nuclear weapons? Wouldn’t Iran have some “entitlement” to it’s own weapons to assure mutual destruction on Pakistan in that event?

Like I said, I’m not advancing this argument because it is MY argument, I’m advancing the argument because I think it is a RATIONAL argument, one that deserves debate and consideration — and by definition, if such an argument exists, it is wrong to dismiss it as simple lunacy or disqualifying.


61 posted on 01/03/2008 10:00:35 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
So the question is, what authority does the United States government have in preventing a particular country from obtaining those weapons? We would answer “our national security”, but that presupposes that Iran would use the weapons against us.

Part of "us" is a large contingency of America's finest within range of missiles.

66 posted on 01/03/2008 10:04:34 AM PST by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Do you believe there is a moral equivalence between nations like North Korea and Iran and the United States?


71 posted on 01/03/2008 10:14:31 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
oes that mere risk give us authority to attack and destroy ships of other soveriegn nations that are not themselves violating international OR U.S. Law?

You are the only one suggesting "Attack" and "destroy", so your argument is a complete strawman.

None the less, boarding, inspecting, and seizing of nuclear arms shipped to Iran is in keeping with current international treaties and U.N. sanctions. Therefore, yes the U.S. would be acting legally.

109 posted on 01/03/2008 10:49:12 AM PST by been_lurking
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"So the question is, what authority does the United States government have in preventing a particular country from obtaining those weapons?

Copyright Law?

160 posted on 01/03/2008 2:51:42 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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