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Venture stores solar power with molten salt
CNet ^ | 1/2/2007 | Martin LaMonica

Posted on 01/03/2008 6:04:24 AM PST by Uncledave

A newly created company called SolarReserve intends to commercialize a solar power plant capable of generating electricity and storing it in molten salt.

The venture was created by investment firm US Renewables Group, which has licensed technology from Hamilton Sundstrand, a subsidiary of United Technologies. A plant will be capable of generating 500 megawatts of peak power, the size of a typical power plant.

Solar thermal technology, which uses heat intensified by lenses and mirrors to create electricity, is being pursued by utilities because it is relatively cost-effective. It is also called concentrated solar power (CSP).

But because the sun's energy is intermittent, companies are seeking out large-scale storage techniques, from compressed air to massive batteries. Molten salt storage is already used at the Nevada Solar One plant.

SolarReserve's technology will use a tower with a holding tank of molten salt. An array of mirrors will reflect light onto the tank. The heated liquid is then pumped into a steam generator that will turn a turbine to make electricity.

The technology is expected to be available within three or four years. A representative said the company expects to realize revenue of more than $1 billion in the next 10 years.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; solar
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1 posted on 01/03/2008 6:04:28 AM PST by Uncledave
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2 posted on 01/03/2008 6:04:54 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: Uncledave
a solar power plant capable of generating electricity and storing it in molten salt.

I don't know what's really going on here, but I suspect we have a clueless reporter. I do not think that electricity is being stored in molten salt. Doesn't make sense.

3 posted on 01/03/2008 6:07:51 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Heat energy is being stored. That can be used to generate steam, which turns a turbine, etc., etc.


4 posted on 01/03/2008 6:09:49 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just typical bad writing by one who doesn’t know the subject matter or care to learn it.

The project proposes to store energy as heat in the molten salt and tap it to run generators, presumably by generating steam to power turbines.


5 posted on 01/03/2008 6:11:36 AM PST by Uncledave
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To: ClearCase_guy

in the article:

SolarReserve’s technology will use a tower with a holding tank of molten salt. An array of mirrors will reflect light onto the tank. The heated liquid is then pumped into a steam generator that will turn a turbine to make electricity.

Not sure why molten salt is a preferred heat store medium though.


6 posted on 01/03/2008 6:14:37 AM PST by PissAndVinegar
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To: Uncledave; PissAndVinegar
Understood. The media needs to realize, however, that bad writing like that spoils the whole thing. The reporter just told me that electricity is being stored in molten salt. Now, I understand (better than the reporter) what is really going on -- but why should I trust anything else in the article? The information is being relayed to me by someone with no grasp of the fundamentals.

And of course, the really key question IS "why is molten salt the preferred storage medium?" There's probably something interesting there. But that didn't seem to interest the reporter, because there's no information on why this was chosen.

7 posted on 01/03/2008 6:17:49 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: PissAndVinegar

The melting temp for NaCl is 800.8C (or 1473.4F), that’s a LOT of heat to store for using in a steam generator!


8 posted on 01/03/2008 6:19:09 AM PST by PCRit
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't know what's really going on here, but I suspect we have a clueless reporter. I do not think that electricity is being stored in molten salt. Doesn't make sense.

I have heard of one proposed technology years ago that could "store" solar energy in salt. How it works is that the salt solution is brought into the focus of a mirror. The heat induces a chemical phase change in the salt. The phase changed salt is chemically stable and can be stored for a long time. In order to use the stored energy, the salt is sent to a boiler and it is melted back into the lower engery state salt, which releases heat, which can be used to power a boiler. I think this method can be used to store energy all sumnmer and release it in the winter.

9 posted on 01/03/2008 6:20:32 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Vince Ferrer; Uncledave; ClearCase_guy; Pearls Before Swine; PissAndVinegar; PCRit
I wonder how this technology would fit with John Kanzius' radio wave tech that cracks hydrogen out of saltwater. Its now being studied by Rostum Roy up at Penn state
10 posted on 01/03/2008 6:29:41 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The reporter just told me that electricity is being stored in molten salt.

Are you sure? To me it says "solar power" is being stored. What is solar power but heat. The salt is storing heat or "solar power."

11 posted on 01/03/2008 6:35:10 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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My initial take on that was that I wasn’t surprised that it worked, but that I would find it surprising if it would be efficient. Since water conducts electricity (the amount depending on purity), its not surprising that you would get some circulating eddy currents from the imposed electromagnetic fields, and hence some distributed electrolysis.

It strikes me as a second order effect, though, that is interesting, but unlikely to be energy-efficient.


12 posted on 01/03/2008 6:36:10 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Uncledave

Molten salt? Do they mean salt in solution? Or do they actually mean dry salt that has been melted?


13 posted on 01/03/2008 6:37:05 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: PissAndVinegar
Not sure why molten salt is a preferred heat store medium though.

It's not corrosive and has a much higher boiling point than water, so the same volume can hold more heat. And as opposed to other possible exotic alternatives, it's not that toxic. Spills can be left to solidify, then picked up off the ground. Unless it's raining, then you get lye, but spraying a lot of a moderate acid around will take care of that.

14 posted on 01/03/2008 6:38:36 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Uncledave

The byproduct will be boon to margarita lovers.


15 posted on 01/03/2008 6:39:11 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Well, the issue is bad wording on the reporter's part. I think that what the text says is not what the text ought to say. But here's the text:

generating electricity and storing it in molten salt

So, something is being stored in molten salt. What? Well, "it" is being stored in molten salt. And what does that "it" refer to? Well, the electricity that was just generated.

Now, clearly they are using solar power to generate electricity, and clearly energy is being stored in some manner. That makes sense. But the reporter's wording is just terrible.

16 posted on 01/03/2008 6:40:21 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

They should store it in potatoes. Potatoes never cool off.


17 posted on 01/03/2008 6:46:11 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Uncledave

Using glauber’s salt as a phase-change heat storage medium was big about 20-25 years ago and then fizzed out.


18 posted on 01/03/2008 6:48:32 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: ClearCase_guy

Although I read the article I forgot the part you quoted and you are correct. The reporter says that electricity is being stored in molten salt.


19 posted on 01/03/2008 6:50:44 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: PissAndVinegar

Sorry, thinking sodium instead of salt, forget the lye part. I guess this is just like the old Solar Two project. If the tanks burst and it spilled all over, they’d just have to bring in front loaders to pick up the salts and recycle it.

But it will hold a LOT of heat per volume, more than most other substances, so it makes for an excellent heat sink.


20 posted on 01/03/2008 6:51:06 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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