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Flushed with shame at Britain
The Times ^ | 1/2/07 | Alice Miles

Posted on 01/03/2008 12:19:34 AM PST by bruinbirdman

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To: bruinbirdman
I was always taught that the real reason that Rome fell, after being a world-girdeling empire, was that the Roman legions were made in large part of the "younger sons" of the nobility, who went to seek fortune and honor in warfare because the eldest sons inherited the family riches. (This led to an army that "had a lot to lose" in the riches and honor department.) But it reached a point that there simply weren't enough "true" roman citizens to fill the needs of an army that control a third of the known world, and it became necessary to pay mercenaries to represent Rome's might. And a mercenary, who has no real stake in your battle, is prone to only be as loyal to a country or an idea as the next military payroll.

Lesson given? If you are a "hyphenated-American" of any stripe, you may be more loyal to your own ethos or origins than you are to the Republic that gives you the freedom to live there. And if you are in Britain, you may be hip deep in immigrants, legal and otherwise, who don't give a Union Jack about keeping the toilets in YOUR country clean...after all, it's not really THEIR country is it?

21 posted on 01/03/2008 5:00:21 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: kipita

Bravo. I support every color and shade of people...who want to work hard, take care of their families, keep their lawn mowed, and not plot to kill me in my sleep. MLK, Jr. had that one right...and I wish I saw more “leaders” in every community today that were as colorblind as he hoped we would be.


22 posted on 01/03/2008 5:04:48 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: gr8eman
There was a news item a few years ago I heard reported on Talk Radio: Black students in New York schools were being beaten up for getting good grades! Any day of the week, this would be reported by the LibMedia as a heinous hate crime...except that the people beating them up were black.

The students were (legal) immigrants from some African country, who came here to achieve greatness in the greatest nation in the world. They wanted to work hard and get good grades so they could get rich, and they were encouraged to achieve by their (married) parents, most of whom were successful businesspeople in the community. But some of the "native American" black students, as it were, thought that the way these newcomers were getting great grades was "disrespecting" them and making them look bad, and so, in the classic solution used by brawny underachievers, decided to beat the tar out of those "uppity" black Poindexter's.

Not a word about this in the national networks, of course. And the one newspaper article, which all but called it a "hate crime", completely left out the color of the attackers, letting your brain fill in the wrong answer.

In the end, it is not about race. It is about culture. If your culture glamorizes drugs, calls women "Hoes", accepts petty crime from your young men and blames the police for "shooting our babies" when your babies pull a gun on the cops, then your culture is morally bankrupt. If you really want to change things, you should accept judgment and work to change your culture, not spend eternity blaming "the man" for keeping you down. MLK is probably spinning in his grave.

23 posted on 01/03/2008 5:16:48 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad
MLK, Jr. had that one right...and I wish I saw more “leaders” in every community today that were as colorblind as he hoped we would be.

Socrates, the father of philosophy, said that countries should be managed by its best well-rounded citizens (well, he said philosophers) and not the masses. According to his theory, modern day politics and politicians in Western Civilization is domed to fail!

24 posted on 01/03/2008 5:18:05 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Is it still that clean, I wonder?”

I spent a week in Stuttgart in 2000.

It was, without a doubt, the cleanest city I have ever been in.


25 posted on 01/03/2008 6:03:17 AM PST by EEDUDE
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To: Oberon

pingferlater


26 posted on 01/03/2008 6:10:17 AM PST by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: bruinbirdman

Perhaps there are toilets with foot baths provided in the name of diversity that are far cleaner.


27 posted on 01/03/2008 6:11:18 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: singfreedom

Take TONS of money!!


28 posted on 01/03/2008 6:14:38 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Moonmad27

I was in Gatwick last month and noticed nothing particular about the loo. British toilets tend not to be as clean as German, though.


29 posted on 01/03/2008 9:27:14 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: singfreedom

Yes, we have problems, the same social problems that afflict most Western nations now thanks to 40 years of laissez faire morality.

But Britain is still a great country, and well worth a visit, from the Highlands of Scotland to London, from Belfast and the Antrim Coast to Wales,the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands. A hugely diverse nation in landscape and culture...


30 posted on 01/03/2008 7:24:22 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman
Thanks for the reassurance. I’ve always loved Great Britain, all of it, and look forward to visiting again very soon.
31 posted on 01/03/2008 9:39:14 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: Ann Archy

I imagine now, with the current valuation of the dollar, I’ll need even more “TONS of money”! Thanks for the reminder.


32 posted on 01/03/2008 10:25:21 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.....for without victory there is no survival." Winston Churchill)
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To: kipita
Socrates, the father of philosophy, said that countries should be managed by its best well-rounded citizens (well, he said philosophers) and not the masses. According to his theory, modern day politics and politicians in Western Civilization is domed to fail!

"Jacksonian vs. Jeffersonian democracy" as I recall from my high school studies! The eternal question: Is a "true" one-person-one-vote democracy actually good for the nation, when it means that someone with no facts who votes their heart's (uninformed) conviction can cancel the vote of a citizen who has studied world politics for thirty years? Or is it better that the more educated, assuredly more wealthy and more powerful have a monopoly on how things work that excludes the "man in the street"?

How do we balance the two? The Founders thought the vote should be granted only to landowners, whom it was assumed would have a stake in any public policy, and wouldn't be willing to promote laws that would damage society. IIRC, there was a French philosopher who toured the young USA in the early 1800's, who opined that it would last just as long as it took the average man to realize he could, with a popular vote, enrich his own self from the public till.

You have hit upon one of the classic questions. I suppose it is why we have endured so far by relying on a representative democracy (with it's "electoral college" checks) rather than a pure democracy where everything goes to a popular vote.

As I have written in the past, our society is the absolute worst form of government...except for all the rest of them!

33 posted on 01/04/2008 5:35:49 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: kipita
"Given a choice, 98% of people will select religious/ethnic/tribal identity over a “much better” alternative. "

I'm a pretty fundamental Christian, but Scott Peck once wrote that if you examined Christian "sin" completely outside of the strictures of relgion, you end up with "humans getting what they want the easy way." That is, smash and grab the stereo from the store, kill somebody and take their stuff, con somebody out of what they earned by work, that kind of thing.

It is a fundamental statemenet of human nature that in the Eden parable, when Adam & Eve were presented with the directive that they could never eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil that neither of them ever said "Why?" The urge to do the crafty thing (and steal it) is written in our human DNA...left alone to our "Nature", humans will most often choose the easy way, the crafty way. Only being aware of our shortcomings will allow us to overcome them.

Love you homepage by the way.

34 posted on 01/04/2008 5:46:05 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad
Given a choice, 98% of people will select religious/ethnic/tribal identity over a “much better” alternative.

Love you homepage by the way.

Yes, I tend to think that 98% of humans are predictable products of genetics and conditioning and just maybe the remaining 2% are where the battle between "Good vs. Evil" is fought but Twain's "a lie can travel half way around the world before the truth has a chance to put is shoes on" gives evil a chance but "time fears no one" means Good will eventually win. So, in this sense, I like a Spock from Star Trek trapped on Earth and trying to understand her complexities.

35 posted on 01/04/2008 5:58:57 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: bruinbirdman
This is what you get with unrestricted immigration. As the British Empire empire faded into history colony by colony the natives of those former 3rd world colonies have streamed into Britain in droves.

The same thing is happening here, except our 3rd world immigrants aren’t legally coming from former colonies, they’re illegally invading us like a foreign enemy and our government is inviting them in by offering inducements to come and sanctuary if they stay.

36 posted on 01/04/2008 6:07:24 AM PST by epow (If you offer me a penny for my thoughts and I put in my 2 cents, will I get a penny back in change?)
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To: kipita
I like a Spock from Star Trek trapped on Earth and trying to understand her complexities.

In one of Nimoy's books, he wrote something like: "I was born either fifty years too late, or 600 years too early. I guess I'm just an old fashioned spaceman."

Sometimes I turn to my Young Bride of twenty five years and just say, in exaspiration, "Humans!"

37 posted on 01/04/2008 6:18:03 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad
Sometimes I turn to my Young Bride of twenty five years and just say, in exaspiration, "Humans!"

I tend to think the same about my wife of 7 years. Who was Mohammed? A young man who never received love in his life and only found it with an older woman who died after only a few years of bliss. Who was Hitler? A man who never received love in his life and reacted predictably. Who was Stalin? A man who never received love in his life and the only woman who could melt his hardened heart died and so he acted predictably. Who is Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, a man who was a bit normal until his wife died. The comparisons are endless in understanding the predictable nature of humans.

38 posted on 01/04/2008 6:37:30 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: kipita
Vive L'Amour!
39 posted on 01/04/2008 6:46:41 AM PST by 50sDad (Liberals: Never Happy, Never Grateful, Never Right.)
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To: 50sDad

And here is pure hate.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so6dc3IqjbA&feature=related


40 posted on 01/04/2008 6:53:56 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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