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Immigrants Leave Okla. After Tough Law Enacted
NPR's All things Considered ^ | January 2, 2008 | Jason Beaubien

Posted on 01/02/2008 6:26:06 PM PST by flowerplough

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21 posted on 01/02/2008 7:25:36 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: flowerplough

At risk of redundancy:

ILLEGALS fleeing Oklahoma, Arizona and other states that have
“grown a pair”...
DO NOT come to Missouri.

Even Missouri’s leading Democrat is telling y’all to just keep movin’ on
to a real santuary city (LA, New Haven CT, etc.)


22 posted on 01/02/2008 7:25:38 PM PST by VOA
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“Builders say they can’t get enough workers and are threatening a lawsuit to try to block the law.”

That’s funny... For all the cheap labor they’ve been using housing prices have skyrocketed over the last 15 years. Shouldn’t cheap labor mean more affordable housing?

Guess not.


23 posted on 01/02/2008 7:28:37 PM PST by navyguy (Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.)
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To: flowerplough
Bueno. Muy buen. GTFO. And go HOME while you are at it.

No more sucking at the US taxpayers teat, indocumentados.

24 posted on 01/02/2008 7:30:42 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Your FR Pledge: Bookmark It Today! "I Won't Support Mitt/Rudy/McCain/Huckster in General Election")
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To: gubamyster

Why don’t the damn builders try hiring some Americans. I am tired of paying more and more taxes to pay for their cheap labor. They should be put of of business if the flout the law.


25 posted on 01/02/2008 7:30:49 PM PST by TheLion
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To: William Terrell
"ONe has to wonder how much of the labor cost savings the builders keep and how much they pass on to the customer."

One has to wonder what makes you think the illegals work cheap?

Locally (North Texas), my contractor friends tell me you can't get the least-skilled day laborer to work for less than $11 - $12 an hour, and carpenters with a little skill work at local cabinet shops for up to $20 per hour.

26 posted on 01/02/2008 7:48:25 PM PST by Redbob
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To: flowerplough
"Builders say they can't get enough workers and are threatening a lawsuit to try to block the law."

Various folks have tried various law suits, and the courts have thrown them out.

Surely the builders know that?

27 posted on 01/02/2008 7:49:48 PM PST by Redbob
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To: Muleteam1
Cotton farmers eventually adapted and survived the Emancipation Proclamation.

Actually, a lot of southern states made a near seamless transition from slave labor to sharecropping.

Some liked the sharecropping system so well, they would've been unwilling to return to slavery even if they could. For one thing, sharecroppers got no care in their old age (as did slaves) and got paid only on what the produced.

Slavery was inefficient, socialistic and was not the most productive use of resources. The slaveowners skimmed most of the profits for themselves and looked at their slaves as revenue streams and hands to keep them in power, much like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton use their constituents today.

Mississippi and other cotton states actually had laws against recruiting sharecroppers to move north when industry needed labor which couldn't be supplied by immigration alone from the 1890's onward.

But, the funny thing was that the sharecroppers got recruited and moved anyway. In time, though, the south discovered they could attract industry as well. And the idiot unions up north became their unwilling ally in the movement of industry . . . and people . . . back to the south from the late 1960's onward.

28 posted on 01/02/2008 7:59:52 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: flowerplough
Funny that she didn't seem interested in following her husband to Mexico, to wait with him

Especially since most Mexicans are hypocrites and fly Mexican flags and go on and on about how great Mexico is....

29 posted on 01/02/2008 8:03:51 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: boop
So builders are going to sue to keep hiring people paid off the books?

I think this was what happened to the businesses who tried to stop the AZ law. They couldn't submit that the law had harmed them because first, the law didn't actually come into effect until the new year and second, they would then be admitting they hired illegals.

30 posted on 01/02/2008 8:12:31 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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Screw the “builders”. They can find all the workers they want if they’d just PAY FOR THEM! Instead, they don’t mind charging the prevailing price for their services while undercutting their competition with subpar workers.

Does anyone out there really think builders using illegals are passing their lower cost to the consumer?

I also find it wonderfully ironic that many of those returning to Mexico are having trouble getting back in because they don’t have the proper documents any longer! HA HA HA HA HA


31 posted on 01/02/2008 8:14:00 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Dark Knight is coming !)
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Why don't the Feds get a list of these builders and hold their feet to the fire or prosecute them?

First you have to ask the question, do the feds want illegal aliens in the labor force? A fair interpretation of behavior and rhetoric of the legislative and executive branch is that they do.

32 posted on 01/02/2008 8:15:25 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: flowerplough

bump


33 posted on 01/02/2008 8:16:09 PM PST by VOA
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To: Fledermaus

I’ve noticed something else never mentioned in these debates. Go to any railroad museum and there is usually a montage to the Chinese “immigrant” that “suffered” while working on the railroad.

Are we going to have to have museums at all buildings and large landscapes dedicated to the “abused and exploited Mexican immigrant” in the future?


34 posted on 01/02/2008 8:19:52 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Dark Knight is coming !)
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To: flowerplough

Every state should have a law like this.


35 posted on 01/02/2008 8:25:46 PM PST by TBP
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To: flowerplough
Builders say they can't get enough workers and are threatening a lawsuit to try to block the law.

They'll spend zillions for the lawsuit, but they won't increase their wages by one red cent.

36 posted on 01/02/2008 8:25:48 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Redbob
Locally (North Texas), my contractor friends tell me you can't get the least-skilled day laborer to work for less than $11 - $12 an hour, and carpenters with a little skill work at local cabinet shops for up to $20 per hour.

Americans would be glad to get that wage. Why not hire them? And, even if they want a higher wage, how many pennies does that add to the finished product, or dollars for a large single project?

Either the firm that hires the illegal workers passes the difference in costs on to the customer or they keep it to themselves. Or a combination of the two. Or, if there is no difference, why not hire Americans?

37 posted on 01/02/2008 8:30:32 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: boop
So builders are going to sue to keep hiring people paid off the books? Try that in any other business.

The owners of fast food franchises in Arizona have filed law suits, and appealed.

38 posted on 01/02/2008 8:37:45 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

I think this was what happened to the businesses who tried to stop the AZ law. They couldn’t submit that the law had harmed them because first, the law didn’t actually come into effect until the new year and second, they would then be admitting they hired illegals.


LOL...good point. To sue, a business would have to admit they are hiring illegals.


39 posted on 01/02/2008 8:57:30 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Illegal Aliens are not "undocumented immigrants"....Are murderers "population control specialists"?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Thanks for the reply but you may have meant to reply to OCC in post #11?

My point, which could have been clearer, was that Texas as a rural state offers large property tax exemptions to owners of agricultural lands who regularly use illegals. These illegals send their children to public schools in town which are largely financed by town folks who do not use illegals but cannot qualify for agricultural exemptions.

I might add that I am currently located in the Texas High Plains which has the world's greatest concentrations of cotton production possibly only matched by its concentrations of illegals.

40 posted on 01/02/2008 8:58:28 PM PST by Muleteam1
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