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The Mormons have always been a problem for the Scouts. They have their own program which disregards basic scouting principles. For example, they don't keep the max ratio of two boys per one adult. Consequently, when a scout gets lost, ever notice how many of those incidents are in Utah or happening to a Mormon troop. They want to be part of the program and get the United Way money but they don't go along with the basics of the program. They are very isolationist when doing camp-wide activities. They want to use the camp sites but not have the same hours for the swimming pool, etc.

Wonder if Mormons would welcome a gay leader, just like they finally acknowledged that blacks can get into heaven, too. I'm getting to like this guy less and less.

By the end of this whole thing, Rudy may end up looking like the most honest among them. At least his flaws, inconsistencies, and sins are an open book. Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony if the most secular ended up looking the most genuine?

At a glance, I respecfully disagree with your comments about LDS Scouts. Way too general in context just to name one disagreement.

The units I’ve dealt with have all had some peculiar requests, much like Jewish Troops do, but I don’t think that makes them guilty of disregarding basic Scouting principles. To give one example; They don’t like to travel on Sundays which makes summer camp interesting on Mondays when they arrive and are trying to check in when the program is getting started, likewise Camporees when they bug out on Sat. night.

I have yet to see the UW give money directly to any Scout unit. Most often it goes to the Council who then divies up what paltry few dollars are given by them.

As for the lost Scouts, do you have facts to back up your overgeneralization? That is not just an LDS problem, there are many other instances of Scouts going off and getting lost, I don’t see how that makes it a strictly LDS problem.

As for the isolationist comment, I will disagree with that as well. It may be peculiar to certain areas or Troops, but I don’t honestly believe it to be systemic as you profess to claim. I’ve seen quite a bit differently out here.

The problems I do have with LDS units are the high turnover rate in leaders and the lack of training these leaders get. Another is the fact that their ward leadership doesn’t seem to make it important either. To me, that is the crux of the problem. Many are just plain ignorant of the rules. How do I know? I’m the District Training Chair for my District as well as a Scoutmaster.

Maybe your experiences with LDS Scouts are different than mine.

FRegards,

SZ

By the end of this whole thing, Rudy may end up looking like the most honest among them. At least his flaws, inconsistencies, and sins are an open book.

Let's not get carried away, now. In my book, both of these guys have disqualifying flaws. Flip is just trying to paper over his in an egregiously pandering and disingenuous way. This type of politician should be anathema to conservatives.

"Rudy may end up looking like the most honest among them. At least his flaws, inconsistencies, and sins are an open book. Wouldn't that be the ultimate irony if the most secular ended up looking the most genuine?"

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You have a point here, but at least Mitt has the decency to pay lip service to conservatism while Rudy just gives it the bird.

Wonder if Mormons would welcome a gay leader, just like they finally acknowledged that blacks can get into heaven, too.

Get your facts straight. Mormons have never said Blacks could not get into heaven.

And it doesn’t matter what the Church feels about gay scout leaders. As a practical matter, if for no other reason, the BSA has found they can’t afford the law suits some gay leaders have been generating.