New Year's Look: The Republican Party

American Chronicle ^ | January 1, 2008 | John Xavier

[2ndDivisionVet]

If there was ever any question as to how diverse the Republican Party is, this campaign season has answered it. The reason there are so many viable candidates in the Republican presidential primary this year is because each candidate hails from a different part of the Republican base. That Republican diversity earns a special New Year’s Look.

Rudy Giuliani hails from the liberal wing of the Republican Party. The Republican liberals are regionally based in the Northeast. They think that women should have the right to choose abortion, support destructive embryonic stem cell research, and generally support homosexual rights. They are represented inside the beltway by the Republican Main Street Coalition.

Giuliani also hails from the rule of law wing of the Party. These are the conservatives who oppose the “illegal” in illegal immigration. They often fall in with Christian conservatives (who equally value authority) and are attracted to Giuliani who was a former federal prosecutor and is widely credited with cleaning up New York City.

Mitt Romney comes from the business end of the Republican Party. Unlike their liberal counterparts; these conservatives do not care much for social issues. Money, free trade economics, money, and creative destruction are the foundation of their beliefs and a candidate's business acumen is preferable to ideology. They are regionally based along the Wall Street-DC axis and Club for Growth is their best beltway representative.

Fred Thompson comes from the intellectual and social conservative wing of the Party. These conservatives value logic and reason as the prime driving force behind social issues, and they tend to prefer a more secular approach to politics. National Right to Life, their resident beltway representative, endorsed Thompson late last year. They are regionally based in the South, Midwest, and West, and are often mistaken for (and dominated by) Christian conservatives who tend to have a louder voice.

Mike Huckabee hails from the Christian conservative wing of the Party. Similar to their social conservative brothers; abortion and gay marriage top their list of concerns. However, unlike social conservatives, they favor of a Biblical defense of their views. They are based in the churches of the South and Middle America, and tend to hold a negative view of Washington, DC where they feel they will always be perennial outsiders.

John McCain comes from the neoconservative wing of the Party. These are the war hawks that pushed for the invasion of Iraq and steadfastly support the President. Some of these same people could not stand the name McCain only eight years ago. They are based squarely inside the beltway at conservative think tanks such as Project for the New American Century and the American Enterprise Institute.

Ron Paul hails from the Constitutional and libertarian wings of the Party. This is the segment of the Party who values individual liberty as supreme and sees big government as encroaching upon that liberty. They favor states’ rights and local control and want to dismantle the bureaucratic morass that the federal government has become.

Paul also hails from the anti-war, isolationist wing of the party and was one of the original Republicans to vote against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. His stances and confrontational personality have endeared him to an anti-establishment crowd who feel that he is one of them. Unfortunately for Paul, much of that crowd does not vote (Republican).

Keep in mind that these are the segments of the Republican tent that each candidate comes from, and it does not necessarily rule them out from garnering the support of other parts of the base. After all, one of the main functions of a campaign organization is coalition building. But one thing is certain, whoever ends up being the nominee will have a profound impact on the direction and character of the Republican Party for years to come.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Good, though simplistic analysis of the current situation in the party.

[glmjr]

Saving the Republican Party

Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support.   If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008.  This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science.  Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.

Take a closer look at the candidates

         Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word.  He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control.  I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades.  He is liberal, no other way to put it.  He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party.  If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union.  Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America.  Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years.  Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008.  Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to  his religion.  This is a shame , but a fact.  We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.

            Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher.  Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues.  His popularity  base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world.  .  He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates.  He has even went so far as to criticize  President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality".  Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it.  He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover.  He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected.  Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal  foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today.  To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

        John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war.  John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues.  Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people.  Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated.  If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass.  I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me.  He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times.  I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean.  The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust.  We would  loose to the Democrats in 2008 .

         Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like.  He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion.  The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago.  Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone"  Total BS.  Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split.  Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.

           Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word.  Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration.  Duncan could unite the party behind him.  Our party would have someone that all republicans could support.  The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected.  They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November.  Duncan gets a   "thumbs up" from me.

       Fred Thompson.  Fred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues.  He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government.  Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives.  He has never flipped his position on any issue.  Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican.  Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway.  Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party.  Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.

 

Just the Facts... check them out for yourself.  America awaits your decision.

[glmjr]

SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S

AMNESTY BILL FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS

Recently, John McCain did what may be unfairly called a flip-flop and admitted the American public was opposed to amnesty and withdrew his support of it reluctantly perhaps to save his campaign for President

                                                         

Senator John McCain who possesses many fine qualities not the least of which is service to country in uniform and incredible suffering in defense of this nation,  supported amnesty in the form of legislation defeated in Congress last summer largely in part because of the massive outrage expressed by citizens that is credited for rendering the Congressional phone system inoperative during the session.    .

The illegal alien problem is the fault of the US government. It created the problem by refusing to fund adequate border security. It has ignored the Constitution and has not followed existing law.

                  
McCain held hands with the liberal Senator Edward Kennedy, (D-Ma)
in support of illegal immigration less than a year ago .  Now he's flip flopped.

What are we to believe?
If he's elected will he change his mind again?

    

 

 

 

 

 

[glmjr]

Democratic Governor Endorses Mike Huckabee

Instead we have conservatives lining up behind Mike Huckabee because he agrees with them on two issues - gay marriage and abortion - neither of which the president can do much about. And all the while they ignore his liberal history as governor of Arkansas. If Huckabee is a real conservative, explain this: Since he's running in the Republican primaries for president, don't expect Mike Huckabee to be advertising the strong endorsement he just got from Ted Strickland, Ohio's Democratic governor.

It seems Mr. Strickland, who typically racked up a 95% rating from the liberal Americans for Democratic Action during his 16 years in Congress, has discovered a kindred spirit in Mr. Huckabee. He told the Cincinnati Enquirer last Sunday that Mr. Huckabee is a "combination of conservative views in some ways, but very, almost liberal views in other ways." Mr. Strickland concluded: "Of all the Republican candidates, Mr. Huckabee would be my personal choice."

NOW,,, THERE SHOULD BE NOT DOUBT IN YOUR MIND....HUCKABEE IS LOVED BY DEMOCRATS.

God save us if he is actually nominated by the Republican party, or should I say "former" Republican party ..if that actually occurs. 

YOUR CHOICE                           This                         OR                                   This. 

                                                        

NEITHER IS A PRETTY PICTURE

[glmjr]

 

Giuliani  = Liberal

Has our Party gone the way of the dinosaurs?
Have we lost our values?

If we elect a man who supports gay rights and is pro-choice, we can no longer call ourselves conservative.  Have we sunk so low that we would elect a person who dresses in drag?  Marches in gay pride parades?   Giuliani is a liberal running as a conservative.  He's pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, and pro-gay.  He is intelligent and has governed New York City successfully, BUT he is not a true conservative by any measure.  Conservatives wake up?
God help us if we elect a liberal.

Giuliani in drag

 

 

Giuliani in drag

[glmjr]

Fred Thompson 

The Real Conservative

"When I am president, I will build a fence." Amnesty and illegal immigration are not healthy for the U.S. or Mexico. "We need to be a nation of high fences and wide gates."  ..Fred Thompson

"My idea of Gun Control is a good, steady aim."  ..Fred Thompson

  "Saddle Me Up"

 

[glmjr]

Gentlemen, there's one hell of a man named Fred Thompson, that in my book is a real American and he needs your help . 

You should be ready to fight to defend the freedoms so many have given their all to protect and defend.  If you think you can sit back and ignore the danger to our nation or if you think you can just ignore it and it'll go away, well mister you're dead wrong.  Oh, and one other thing, these bastards we are fighting don't like you and never will like you.  They just want to kill you and your family for their Allah.  One other thing, some like ...what's his name ..Huckabuster or something like that...think if we will just talk with them we can make them our friends.  What a bunch of horse manure.

Now before it's too late, get up from that comfortable couch , pick up the phone and tell someone on the other end, you're not taking this crap anymore.  Call your state party officials, the NRA,, the Minute Men, or any other conservative group you can think of and tell them to get off their asses.  You want a real conservative for your commander and chief, no pansy ass liberals need apply.   Got it!

Me and some other real men are watching ,so don't screw it up

General George S. Patton Jr., Commanding 

   Get off you asses and get to work for Fred. 

[Maelstorm]

A very good analysis:

Fred Thompson comes from the intellectual and social conservative wing of the Party. These conservatives value logic and reason as the prime driving force behind social issues, and they tend to prefer a more secular approach to politics. National Right to Life, their resident beltway representative, endorsed Thompson late last year. They are regionally based in the South, Midwest, and West, and are often mistaken for (and dominated by) Christian conservatives who tend to have a louder voice.”

We need conservative ideas not hybrid monsters that crawl and slip forward on the slime of an unholy union between conservative and liberal and feed only a slight bit less greedily at the neck of tax payer while whispering gurgles of promises of anything we might wish provided we continue to allow them to feed until the corruption that is in them reaches maturity and bursts forth the unrestrained fully gestated red monster fed by the greed and wants of lazy childlike vampires it calls its children.

[Rudder]

Mike Huckabee hails from the Christian conservative wing of the Party...they favor of a Biblical defense of their views... they feel they will always be perennial outsiders.

According to the latest Des Moines Register poll, Huckabee derives nearly 50% of his support from this group. My question, aside from giving Huckabee the Iowa caucus win, is this constituency large enough to carry him nationwide to the Presidency?

[MindBender26]

Too many Republicans are forgetting some VERY good news this New Year’s Day.

All the media and political concentrations have been on which Dem will win their nomination. And with all that attention, Republicans who have had little good media attention, (Huck, et.al) are still generally tied with them in the polls related to the General Election.

Stop and think for a moment. After Super Tuesday, the Dems will be STUCK with either:

1: A Far-Left, generally despised woman who has been dropping in approval ratings every month for the last 18 months, or

2: A Black one-term Senator with zero foreign policy experience, who was raised a Muslim, or

3: A one-term former Senator with zero foreign policy experience whose major claim to fame is that he was/is a rich ambulance chasing malpractice lawyer!

If Hillary tries to claim foreign policy experience, you will see pictures of her kissing Mrs. Arafat in every Republican commercial.

The Madrid bombings scared the Spanish electorate, but taught us a lesson. Any strike against America will strengthen Republican positions and candidates in the General. Remember, these Dems are tied with Republicans nationally, and no Republican has campaigned against them for 30 seconds.

We may be in great shape!

[Kevmo]

Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd

[11th_VA]

I guess I’m a Fred Thompson republican stuck in a Mike Huckabee supporter’s body ...

[Kevmo]

Here’s a snapshot from Intrade yesterday. There is evidence that Hunter is gaining ground in Iowa.

For the Iowa caucus, Thompson is at the bottom of the pack, Romney has regained the lead from Huckabee. Ron Paul and Hunter are both embedded together, so there’s no way of knowing if he’s gaining ground, but on the basis of the president.field contract moving, I’d say he’s probably at ~0.3 and Ron Paul is at ~4.8, which puts Hunter ahead of Thompson.

Caucus
REP.IOWA.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to Win M 45.0 46.0 45.0 1690 +5.0
REP.IOWA.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to Win M 40.2 54.9 50.0 1960 0
REP.IOWA.THOMPSON(F)
Fred Thompson to Win M 0.1 1.4 0.1 642 -1.4
REP.IOWA.MCCAIN
John McCain to Win M 0.6 4.4 0.2 860 -2.8
REP.IOWA.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to Win M - 0.1 0.1 701 0

REP.IOWA.FIELD
Field (any other individual) to Win M 4.7 5.9 4.8 1384 +1.0

2008.PRES.FIELD
Field (any other candidate) to win 2008 US Presidential Election M 0.2 0.3 0.2 14910 +0.1

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd

[2ndDivisionVet]

Do the people at Intrade get to vote in the Iowa and Nevada caucuses or the New Hampshire, South Carolina or Florida primaries? If not, whatever they say means bupkis!

[Kevmo]

Sounds like you don’t think prediction markets are better indicators than poll results.

One thing prediction markets are better at — their only bias is whether someone can make money trading the futures contracts.

The Efficacy Of Prediction Markets The Liberty Papers ^ | November 8, 2007 | Brad Warbiany http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1922961/posts
Posted on 11/08/2007 12:21:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

[2ndDivisionVet]

I wish I had a dollar for every time you’ve posted this message: I’d be over at the Mercedes dealer, trading in my 1984 300D for a new S-Class.

[Kevmo]

I wish I had a dollar for every freeper that has expressed disregard for prediction market data over poll results data, and when they’re spoonfed this thread, they still don’t get it.

[Uncle Ivan]

Holy smokes, it’s an actual message, and not spam.

[Kevmo]

Happy 6 month freeper anniversary, newbie. For your baby birthday, I’m posting Dropout contract prices from Intrade. And your guy Thompson tops the list for January. Yup, he’s got the big momentum.

Dropouts from 2008 Presidential Race. Jan 2008
DROPOUT.JAN08.EDWARDS
John Edwards to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 35.0 49.0 35.0 15 -7.0
DROPOUT.JAN08.MCCAIN
John McCain to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 10.0 30.0 10.0 31 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.HUCKABEE
Mike Huckabee to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 10.1 29.8 14.9 27 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.OBAMA
Barack Obama to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M - 10.0 5.0 10 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.CLINTON
Hillary Clinton to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M - 10.0 1.0 0 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.GIULIANI
Rudy Giuliani to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 5.0 10.0 7.0 40 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.ROMNEY
Mitt Romney to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 8.0 25.0 6.0 20 0
DROPOUT.JAN08.(F)THOMPSON
Fred Thompson to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 35.0 99.0 40.0 70 +12.0
DROPOUT.JAN08.PAUL
Ron Paul to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 10.0 15.0 15.0 24 +5.2

[glmjr]

Fred Thompson 

The Real Conservative

For Republicans to win the White House, we must be united and have a large voter turnout . We must get the  fiscal conservatives; national security conservatives; and religious conservatives to get behind a candidate who has the best platform for all of these areas. Fred Thompson, is the only candidate not alienating any of these voting sections, and can unite the party. Fred is the best hope we have in the 2008 election. Fred Thompson can win the general election, and rest assured the other party knows it.  He unites the Republican constituencies and assures a large conservative voter turnout in the 2008 election.

On Gun Control and Illegal Immigration he hits a home run.

"When I am president, I will build a fence." ...Fred Thompson

"My idea of Gun Control is a good, steady aim."  ..Fred Thompson

  "Saddle Me Up"