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Republican Blood Feud
National Review ^ | December 31, 2007 | David Freddoso

Posted on 01/01/2008 9:01:14 AM PST by RKB-AFG

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To: Redbob
To the extent that so-called “religious conservatives” support Huckaby, they demonstrate they are, at best, not at all conservative, and at worst, that they are, shall we say, easily led...

The exact same thing applies to supporters of Romney and of Guliani.

gitmo

81 posted on 01/01/2008 11:27:13 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: indylindy
"He would lose because he has tried to USE religion to get the nomination."

Every president, maybe every politician, that I can remember has used religion in way or another to get votes. That you do not admit this and then use it as a disqualification factor is disengenuous.

Now if you want to claim that you don't agree with the way Huckabee has done so, fine. But the fact is 80% of Americans identify with a religion or at least a supreme being and politicians use it to their advantage...even Hillary.

82 posted on 01/01/2008 11:32:55 AM PST by Bob J
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To: indylindy

It’s difficult to be sick of Fred. He’s not a gregarious politician flinging mud. He just defends himself when attacked and sticks to the issues at hand. He has the appropriate character for the job IMO.

Fred is the best candidate hands down, the public will love him in national debates.


83 posted on 01/01/2008 11:54:09 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: Bob J

I have to disagree. That is not true. The most loved and successful candidate was Reagan. He won by landslides. He was not really very religious. What he did was respect the Judeo-Christian values of our founders and the Constitution.

That is what voters want. Freedom to practice their chosen religion, or freedom to not. That is America.

Huckabee is an abomination, hurting the cause of religion to pander to a very few. Do we need them? Maybe. Do we want to lose to socialists like Hillary and most of the Democrats to support a losing cause like Huckabee? NO, not me. That sir, is what will happen. That is why the MSM gives this guy a pass.


84 posted on 01/01/2008 12:15:53 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Kevmo

IMHO, the Huckabee rise has been more slow and steady. I first noticed Huckabee rising in the polls above the second tier candidates this summer.


85 posted on 01/01/2008 12:28:18 PM PST by RKB-AFG (1133)
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To: RKB-AFG

Your opinion may be unique. Welcome to the wilderness.


86 posted on 01/01/2008 12:33:39 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: indylindy
I never said I supported Huck but I do understand why he is pandering to the religious right. It’s politics and if and when he gets the nomination you can expect his tune to change. How much that will hurt him is yet to be seen but you know the MSM is not going to let anyone to forget.

However, you are making the claim that Huck cannot win against the dem and I don’t agree. May conservatives will hold their nose and vote for him and you know the cultural bloc will come out en mass...with their pocketbooks

Any GOP candidate will fire up the left, they have been out of the White House for 8 years and are itching. Agreed, Hucks abortion and gay comments are going to play well to that part of the left but his somewhat soft stance on the WOT may offset that.

BTW - If you’re going to compare every candidate to Reagan no one will ever be good enough. Nothing is as cut and dried as some would want you to believe, politics is made up of shades of grey. Discerning those shades is the difference between losing and winning.

87 posted on 01/01/2008 12:34:43 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Bob J

Okay Bob J, I wasn’t making a comparison to Reagan the man. I was saying that Reagan , the MAN, knew that what US citzens wanted was a strict defense of the Constitution and strength based on pride and honesty.

Huck is no where near what we need to win. The Huck stance will kill the GOP. Mind you, Rudy would do the same from a different perspective.

Therin lies the secret to winning. It is there and it is obvious. FR talks about it it daily. Can you see it?

I really believe Huck supporters are as blind as Rudy supporters. Either way, we will end up losing.


88 posted on 01/01/2008 12:56:58 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Bob J
All the people calling those who don’t endorse their candidate “stupid”, “unintelligent” or “sheep” are part of the problem.

I agree wholeheartedly. I am really getting tired of the attacks.

I am vehemently against Giuliani, but don't think I have not called Giuliani supporters names. Lately, it has gotten pretty nasty around here, especially on Romney and Paul threads.

89 posted on 01/01/2008 1:05:27 PM PST by B Knotts (Anybody but Giuliani!)
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To: RKB-AFG
From there, it becomes a Republican blood feud unless a third candidate can force a brokered convention.

This is the dumb beat. It has been faint up until now, but it's growing.

RINOs in charge is not the inevitable future for the Republican party.

Republicans, working against today's top tier of RINO candidates, have a hope that with perseverance, one of the true conservatives can win out.

90 posted on 01/01/2008 1:08:03 PM PST by delacoert
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To: RKB-AFG

There is little information out about the other Super Tuesday states and Rudy is doing better in those than one might expect, given the press about IA and NH. There are also delegates who are not committed by primary results but can use their own authority, many of whom are Rudy supporters. It’s way to early to count him out.


91 posted on 01/01/2008 1:08:12 PM PST by MHT
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To: codercpc

Given that choice, I would vote Huckabee over Rudy. I would of course vote for either of them over Hillary or Obama.


92 posted on 01/01/2008 1:49:37 PM PST by RKB-AFG (1133)
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To: businessprofessor
I can excuse Giulliani and Romney for some of their liberal positions because they governed in very liberal places. Huckster has no excuses for his political record however.

Nonsense. Huckabee won elections as a Republican in a state that is dominated by Democrats and has been for a very long time.

The twisted logic that Huckabee can't win a national election because he is not an arch-conservative is 180 degrees out of phase. In fact, I don't believe an arch-conservative can win a national election.

Huckabee may have the best chance of any Republican to win national election because he has cross-over appeal and is not the bought and paid-for lackey of the establishment.

I am a conservative and I don't agree with Huckabee on many points but the character assassination of him on this site is completely out of line.

Further, I don't believe Mike Huckabee needs the support of arch-conservatives to win the presidency. The country is evenly divided in its politics. Extremist positions in either direction will NOT get the job done.

If you are not proud to call him "Huckster," don't do it. Name-calling may seem cute but it is more a reflection of the character of the name-caller than upon that of the target.

Mike Huckabee is not this country's worst nightmare. That is a preposterous assertion that doesn't begin to take into account other choices running for president who could be far worse for the future of the U.S.

93 posted on 01/01/2008 2:40:43 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I am a conservative and I don't agree with Huckabee on many points but the character assassination of him on this site is completely out of line.

It is completely in-line for what should be going on during a primary. What's your dog in this Huckabee hunt?

Mike Huckabee is not this country's worst nightmare.

True! But he does happen to be a significant problem [at the very least, a bad dream] to the political party he claims to represent. Last I checked, this party at least paid lip-service to limited government and steered clear of class envy rhetoric. Has Huckabee done these things?

94 posted on 01/01/2008 4:49:54 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: RKB-AFG
This is a rather shallow analysis of a complex situation.

They take no account of supporters shifting from one candidate to another as candidates drop out. Nor does the article account for the 10-20% undecided or the shallow support for the various candidates.

Romney and Rudy have the most money so they will be in to the end. Next is McCain and then Fred. If Fred can outperform McCain, he may get his old friend to drop out and recommend him.

Huckabee, I think, is a one state wonder. If he disappoints in IA (lower than 2nd place), I think he’s through for the campaign. He doesn’t have much money.

Right now I see Romney, Fred, and Huck in IA. We’ll see on January 3rd.

95 posted on 01/01/2008 4:54:40 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner (For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son that whosoever believes in Him should not die)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
"Mike Huckabee is not this country's worst nightmare."

Not as a person. "Compassionate conservatism" is over. President Bush tried it and ended up getting spit on and insulted by the democrats he worked with. And he didn't respond back as he should have. A leader must show his opponents his tolerance limit. And he has a Harvard MBA.

And he has a bunch of countries afraid of him like democrats should be. Go figure this out.

96 posted on 01/01/2008 5:04:31 PM PST by BobS
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I would like to see Fred, Mitt, and Rudy debating in the end. Alone. They all have different worthy qualifications. And they should agree on terms of the debates themselves.

The media made the ones so far look like unserious gameshows. That must stop now.

97 posted on 01/01/2008 5:27:27 PM PST by BobS
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