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Do Democrats Really Want Us to Fail in Iraq? By Adam G. Mersereau
American Thinker ^ | December 31, 2007 | Adam G. Mersereau

Posted on 12/31/2007 9:24:06 AM PST by K-oneTexas

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To: K-oneTexas

IMHO, the approach is overly simplistic. The powers that be are more distributed than are controllable by the political leaders, and within the political power structures there is competition amongst adversarial parties.

Both sides in our 2 party system see the direction of world events in part and play their hands accordingly. IMHO, the object of the liberals probably isn’t as much to attack ourselves as much as it is to attack their competition believing such conflict will advance their position ultimately. That attack on friendlies is convoluted by an arrogant perception to advance a worldly system per their own viewpoint independent of others, doing what is right in their own minds.

IMHO, both sides would be better served by placing their faith in Christ first, then managing the economies of the resources they have been afforded.


41 posted on 01/01/2008 10:28:39 AM PST by Cvengr (Every believer is a grenade. Arrogance is the grenade pin. Pull the pin and fragment your life.)
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To: potlatch

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Thanks potlatch -

Good comments on the libs and good links


42 posted on 01/01/2008 11:20:56 AM PST by devolve (---- - Hey Boone! - My bonus check is late again! -)
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To: devolve

Thank you devolve.

If the dems think we deliberately went into a war unprepared, they would be aghast at the prospect of being attacked and having to immediately retaliate ‘unprepared’ for war. Or would they?

The Clintons would probably, once again. reduce the preparedness of our Military.


43 posted on 01/01/2008 11:29:00 AM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: Billthedrill
Great post.

I think the true America-haters are limited to the extreme socialist left and are pretty rare. Most anti-war liberals love their country -- it's just that they believe the best thing for their country is defeat. They see a humiliating defeat in Iraq as having all kinds of benefits. For one, Bush and the Republicans and especially the neocons, the quasi-fascist internal real enemy that's destroying the country, would be vanquished. Liberals have chosen the wrong enemy of course, but still you can see why they would want this for the country.

And maybe a painful defeat would shock the country into a crisis that would force it to take a critical look at its beliefs about itself. Maybe America would finally abandon the belief that it is exceptional among nations (someone -- was it Dennis Prager? -- has said the most consistent divider between liberals and conservatives is the belief in American exceptionalism), or at least the notion that America can accomplish good things in the world through independent action, especially military action. For the left, these are cosmic falsehoods that lead to grave error, and the opportunity to be rid of them is very valuable.

In fact, all totalled up, a defeat in Iraq looks to them like a very clear net good for the country. Which is why the antiwar crowd can see themselves as patriots even as they wish for defeat.

44 posted on 01/01/2008 12:56:32 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Billthedrill
Lastly, there is the vague and often admirable detestation for violence in the abstract. If it is wrong, it is wrong always and for everyone, and there is no difference between those who employ it in offense or in self-defense.

A view often held by the feckless victim of the schoolyard bully.

Had he ever fought back, though, he would've found that it worked.

Alas, a lesson unlearned by the few...that is costing us all, today.

45 posted on 01/01/2008 1:04:54 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: samtheman

Especially Reid and Pelosi and the rest of the RATs who fear the moveon.org crowd of socialists, all backed by Soros et al.


46 posted on 01/01/2008 1:09:45 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: ZOOKER
He's not "seriously overthinking."

The Deconstructionist Movement, q.v.

It's real, and it started in college English departments, of all places. (I think English depts. had "radicalism envy" and wanted to out-do the poly-sci freaks with how fast they could tear the nation apart. Seriously.)

The author only HINTS at what "deconstructionism" is. Guys, it's real, Google it, and we must learn how to combat this multi-headed hydra!

Sauron

47 posted on 01/02/2008 1:46:54 PM PST by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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To: ripley; K-oneTexas; DoughtyOne
begs the question, “are democrats really the socialist, revolutionary, pseudo-intellectual, subversive rats that they show themselves to be?”

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Democrats are really in one of two groups: Marxists or Useful Idiots.

Scratch a liberal and under his thin skin is a socialist. Dig a little deeper and you will soon find the Marxist nuclear fuel rods that drive everything he says and does.

Democrats ( really Marxists) believe they can perfect man in their own anointed image.

Marxism is our nation’s most important and serious threat. They are in every government bureaucracy. They populate our colleges and universities, and there are armies of their Useful Idiots in our government K-12 schools.

The Marxist’s most important weapon is our schools. We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb but we can not survive if they succeed in indoctrinating the next generation of voters. They are hard at work our children’s minds every day of every government school year.

The author of this article outlines very well the anti-Christian, anti-Western Civilization, anti-American, and anti-capitalist ideals being taught daily in our government schools! This is why I am so caustic, and sharp in my criticism of government schooling, and why I believe it must be shut down. The very survival of freedom depends upon it.

48 posted on 01/02/2008 4:45:27 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

I pretty much agree. I do believe the school system could be cleaned up, but nobody seems inclined to do so. For instance, there’s absolutely no basis for teaching about Martin Luther King in deference to our founding fathers.

The libs have run our universities into the ground, have a lock on the media, and have entrenched themselves in the K-12 schools like little Stalinist storm-troopers.

Either clean this up or close it. I’ve for either at this point. Just end it one way or the others.

BTW, this was an excellent article.


49 posted on 01/02/2008 4:52:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne

the school system could be cleaned up,

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Government schools need to be shut down!

Remember, any government school powerful enough to force my ideas on them, is powerful enough to force theirs on me.


50 posted on 01/02/2008 5:04:19 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

When I was a kid, I attended public school in Diamond, Missouri. The education was first rate and there was none of the indoctrination that is going on today.

The administration and staff were dedicated to teaching the children their ‘three Rs’ and developing good loyal citizens that practiced the golden rule.

If schools had remained steadfast in those goals, I wouldn’t have a problem with public schools. They didn’t, and I think it’s high time we called them on it.

We need a person with the fortitude and character to decry what is going on today.

I understand where you are coming from. If you want the NEA and the Department of Education to be destroyed, we’re on the same page for sure. Local run public education is not a problem for me, providing it is put back on track with sound values.


51 posted on 01/02/2008 5:10:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
Local run public education is not a problem for me, providing it is put back on track with sound values.

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Local control is a problem for me. Even if districts were as small as a suburban subdivision block, two neighbors could gang up on another.

Freedom of conscience and government schools can not coexist!

Any government school powerful enough to force my ideas on my neighbor’s children is powerful enough to force my neighbor’s ideas on my children.

By the way,,,this really is an excellent article. I did what you suggested. I bookmarked it in my favorite education articles folder.

52 posted on 01/02/2008 5:29:39 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

Where your idea breaks down for me, is the realization that there truly are people out there who are unable to home school. I would like to have some form of education for their kids that could still provide a wholesome learning environment.

One idea that might work would be to form a cooperative where parents that didn’t work could take over a teaching position and use the home school materials to teach from.

I am convinced this type of cooperative could work. Volunteer parents would receive little or no pay. The unions would instantly be put out of business and the DoE would be done.

Teaching plans would eminate from a wholesome source instead of UNESCO as they opten do today agenda wise.


53 posted on 01/02/2008 5:38:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: DoughtyOne
One idea that might work would be to form a cooperative where parents that didn’t work could take over a teaching position and use the home school materials to teach from. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I believe that every child in this nation could have a private education for free. Hey! Harvard has a $35 Billion dollar endowment! Americans could do the same for private foundations that could provide private vouchers to private schools.

We are a wealthy nation. Every child could have access to a private voucher to a private Christian school. Christians could do this if they wanted.

Also...I completely agree with you. We should give up the idea of brick and mortar schools. With today's technology we can have excellent ( and wholesome) curriculum available inexpensively to all who wanted it.

We should be thinking in terms of homeschools, "micro-schools", or even "one room school houses" that would meet in buildings like the Elks or Lions Clubs or in the basements of small churches.

You are correct about volunteers. Honestly, aren't the children of a congregation THE MOST IMPORTANT mission field of any member??? I would hope so! More retired people should see teaching as a very important way to spread the gospel.

54 posted on 01/02/2008 6:20:44 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

It easy to post a rough draft like we have, but I really do think that with some tweaking, you’re on to something here.

Simply retire the schools. There’s not much more I like to do than to replace the public schools in this manner.


55 posted on 01/02/2008 8:32:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: wintertime

“democrats are really in one of two groups: marxists or useful idiots.”

useful idiot or hard-core marxist, in the end, it’s all the same; the revolution takes place, the enemies of the marxist state are liquidated, darkness descends as free speech is stifled and the affairs of people turn into manipulated caricatures as the tyranny of intellectual superiority poisons human life.

the sad part is that a large part of the population will gush over the electoral victory of some hard-core leftist
demagogue who promises heaven on earth and who instead delivers the bitterness of arbitrary and whimsical manipulation through government.

they have succeded in indoctrinating more than half of the population, so be prepared for the future; say heil hillary! with your arm extended, palm down, and do not dare look into her eyes for you must practice the worship of superior humans who will save the human race.


56 posted on 01/03/2008 4:31:45 AM PST by ripley
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To: ripley
Bingo!

It really is that serious!

Yet,,,,the very people with the power to turn things around ( Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill OReilly) rarely use the word Marxist.

Rush rarely mentions school issues.

Sean and OReilly do cover the PC nuttiness that goes on in our nation’s schools but, to my knowledge, have NEVER even once identified the problem. They have never pointed out that Marxism is our nation’s most serious threat or that our schools are their MOST IMPORTANT weapon!

(barf!) Talk about stupid!!

None of the 3 Stooges, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Bill OReilly, has NEVER to my knowledge plainly given the solution!

1) Remove your kids NOW!

2) Organize a massive school tax revolt and SHUT these Marxist indoctrination camps down!

3) Thoroughly reform or close down our nation’s colleges and universities and start new one based on Judeo Christian principles.

57 posted on 01/03/2008 4:59:44 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
None of the 3 Stooges, Rush Limbaugh

Rush is always telling us about the “worst disaster the government has ever created”. The public school system.

You should listen before you criticize.

58 posted on 01/03/2008 5:04:12 AM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: angcat
Rush is always telling us about the “worst disaster the government has ever created”. The public school system.

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I do listen.

To my knowledge Rush Limbaugh has never identified Marxism as our nation’s most SERIOUS and important threat.

To my knowledge, Rush Limbaugh has never identified schools as the Marxist MOST important weapon aimed against freedom.

To my knowledge, Rush Limbaugh has NEVER given the solution:

1) REMOVE YOUR CHILD IMMEDIATELY!!!( yes, I am shouting!)

2) Organize a massive school tax revolt and shut these Marxist indoctrination camps DOWN! ( NOW!)

3) Stop giving money to Marxist dominated colleges and universities. Thoroughly reform these institutions, or close them down. Start new colleges and universities based on Judeo Christian principles.

We can survive a nuclear suitcase bomb, but freedom will not survive if the Marxists who run our nation’s schools succeed in indoctrinating the next generation of voters.

But,,,hey!...I can understand why Rush Limbaugh is timid about this.

1) He does not have children.
2) Most of his conservative audience uses the government schools. He is running a business, and business people don’t want to offend their customers.

59 posted on 01/03/2008 5:30:36 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: DoughtyOne
The education was first rate and there was none of the indoctrination that is going on today.

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The education of young children is always “indoctrination”. Always. It is axiomatic.

Children are incapable of critical thought, and they are blank slates. If as the author of this article proposes is true ( Judeo Christian values are universal for all people), then it is important that we indoctrinate our nation’s children with these principles.

The enemy ( The Marxists who run the schools) are doing just the opposite.

60 posted on 01/03/2008 5:34:28 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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