Intel Community: 'Military killed Bhutto'

Middle East Times,Egypt ^ | December 31, 2007 | CLAUDE SALHANI

[Just mythoughts]

"She insisted on having her own people run her protection," said Houlahan, who added, "but nothing would protect her when she decided to stand through the sun roof of her car.

I think this describes what happened, and I am not making light of her death but where was her common sense. It is not as though she had NO clue there were murderous killers plotting and planning to kill her.

[crz]

This is generally well known-that the military has extreme radicals in it. Musharraf dances on the plank. That explains why he has never went after the wack jobs to the west and cleaned out the vipers nest.

Something that has been explained at length by many, yet not understood but by a few.

That dude who is often on FXNEWS..I couldnt begin to spell his name...Monsur or something like that, told Fox that he was sure that it was a hit job and that She walked right into the whole thing knowing full well what was going to happen.

[Red Badger]

If the “military” did it, why was there a “suicide bomber”? I don’t know too many people willing to die for a corrupt military regime. The Islamists find it difficult to recruit such people, much less the military.........

[sukhoi-30mki]

Are you referring to the same military which formed the Taliban & still has links & support to terrorists in India???Such organisations have no dearth of people willing to blow themselves up.

If it were indeed the military’s job(no definite way to find out)-they have plenty of outsourcing options.

[DJ Taylor]

"...who would be likely to govern Pakistan and gain control of its nuclear arsenal?"

India?

[sukhoi-30mki]

Are you referring to Mansur Ijaz???It’s been stated for atleast 5-6 years that the lower level officer corp of the Pakistani army has gotten increasingly radicalised,while the senior ones(recruited in the 70s-80s) are still considered level headed,who use Islamists for their political ends.

[MimirsWell]

Precisely so that people could ask these questions. The extremists are not that savvy people. Most of them are straight-meat and potato type suicidal killers. They wouldnt have tried to shoot her and bomb their way to heaven. Instead to ensure that they dont fail, they would have had 2-3 suicide bombers setting themselves off around the cavalcade. If they were indeed as sophisticated as this, they would have got Musharraf a long time ago.

[Red Badger]

Then it wasn’t the “military”, per se, but factions within the military, supportive of the Islamists, equivalent to spies and saboteurs...........

[Paladin2]

Yep, adherents of TROP-BAM.

(The Religion of Peace By ANY Means)

[sukhoi-30mki]

The problem is that till Sept.11,the military as a whole-including the senior officer corp endorsed using such elements.How far have they come from that??????If it indeed were factions of the Paki military,then it’s a more dangerous thing given that the military itself would be seen to be fragmenting-

Once that happens,then the s**t would truly be hitting the fan.

[Red Badger]

Then why is Musharraf still breathing? The Islamist pretenders within his officer corps must have had a myriad of chances to do him in these past 8 years. They have tried a few times and failed. There must be more loyalists than Islamists in ther midst.......

[Moonman62]

If the “military” did it, why was there a “suicide bomber”?

Exactly. It was well known where she would be, and the weapons used are available to the terrorists. Why would they need the military's help.

[sukhoi-30mki]

Most probably so.Or maybe,there really is not any real distinction between the Islamists & the loyalists afterall..The Pakistani army’s dynamics is not exactly any more transparent than Kim Jong Il’s government.

[RedEyeJack]

The situation is much more complicated than described here. The Pakistani Intelligence Service (ISI - their CIA) is filled with members of the Pashtun Tribe or sub-tribes. The Pashtun allied themselves with the jihadists (Bin Laden & Co) when they were fighting the Russians in the 1980’s. They took power when the Russians were driven out and kicked out the Tribes that had allied themselves with the Russians. They maintained an alliance with the Jihadi's and became the core of the Taliban. The Pashtuns stretch across eastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan. They are the dominate tribe in the region and have been for a long time. They played a large role in defeating the British in Afghanistan in the 19th century. The Northern Alliance that fought with us in the 2003 war were the tribes pushed out by the Pashtun/Taliban in 197?.

Bottom line... a great deal of what is going on now in both Eastern Afghanistan and Western Pakistan can be attributed to blood feuds between tribes in the region whose loyalties transcend those to any “state”. The solution... Defeat the Pashtun... Break their will and make them subservient to the states. Otherwise they will continue to fight.

[varon]

"They especially loathed the idea that Bhutto had pledged the United States to allow U.S. intelligence to interrogate rogue atomic scientist A.Q. Khan and allow U.S. forces to hunt for bin Laden on Pakistani soil," said the source.

This is the cause for the crisis and will remain as such regardless of who is in power.

[sukhoi-30mki]

The ISI can hardly be called the equivalent of the CIA-it’s tied to the Army & draws members from all 3 Pakistani defense services(so it’s name is the Inter-SERVICES Intelligence).All it’s senior officers are Army men.There is simply no separate cadre for the ISI i.e. you cannot talk of the ISI in isolation to the army.

[sukhoi-30mki]

A.Q Khan was the highest ranking civilian in a military run show-the N programme.He wouldn’t have been able to lift his finger if the military didn’t allow him to.

[crz]

Thats the guy..

[ALASKA]

"...who would be likely to govern Pakistan and gain control of its nuclear arsenal?" India?

Maybe FINAL control. I think India would launch at the first sign that the Paki's nukes were about to be taken over....