Posted on 12/30/2007 10:27:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Why did Ron Paul oppose Reagan’s deployment of missiles against the Soviets? This was how Reagan beat the Soviets, and Ron Paul opposed it. Now Paul is opposed to another war we’re winning.
And Ron Paul is strongly supported by George Soros. What does your instinct tell you about that?
Ron Paul has some serious explaining to do.
NO ONE IS GOING TO ROLL BACK GOVERNMENT .There are millions of Union government employees who will not vote to lose their jobs . Case closed
“Sorry, but I have seen enough to have an opinion on him.”
Why do you apologize?
So, after the primaries, if it’s Fred versus any of the democrats, which would you vote for?
LOL, you guys need to come up with some new material. ;-) I haven't seen any actual proof of that, and you can look up who gives to Paul (unlike some other candidates, the info on who has donated is out there for anyone to see). All I've seen is a lot of speculation from some paranoid Paul-haters.
Even if it were true, one of the greatest things about Paul is that he is one of the few people in government who doesn't change or sell out his principles, so what matters is where he stands on the issues. He is strongly pro-constitution and THAT is what guides him, so if anyone with differing political views gives to him, that's their right, but it doesn't mean that Paul supports their views, if that is what you're implying.
As far as your other question... I'ts super late right now, so I have to go. I'll try to reply tomorrow if I have time.
George Soros has more than just “differing political views.” Soros wants to destroy the United States. Soros and his followers are huge supporters of Ron Paul.
So are you opposed to his position on federalism? His position on property rights? On the rights of the unborn? On upgrading the military? On securing the border? On fixing social security? On keeping taxes low? On the war on terror?
A difference of opinion is allowed, but a little bit of reason wouldn't hurt. If the fact that he worked as an actor (among many other jobs in and around government) is what upsets you, maybe you'd prefer a lifetime bureaucrat. You can change with status quo without destroying what is good about it. Reagan did it.
I really don’t understand the idea that one should vote for the person who best shares their beliefs. That would be fine if you got some sort of result proportional to the voting results. I simply can’t see saying I prefer Ron Paul so much, I’m willing to get Hillary just to make a point. That’s a very selfish position it seems to me.
BTw, you know I’m frequently attacking Ron Paul but I am on record that if Ron is the nominee, then I will support him.
“nothing he proposes to stand for can actually be achieved by a POTUS. We don’t elect emperors”
Don’t forget about Supreme Court nominations. This, in my humble opinion, is the greatest danger to our freedoms. Forget all the veto powers and executive orders... it trumps them all on the power scale and it seriously dangerous.
You can’t directly force things into law, but you can damn well steer things in your direction for many years to come.
“Well, I might get lambasted...”
Of course not. This isn’t KOS, that’s what sets us apart.
I’ll even say it out loud, I don’t like GW at all, I think he’s a closet liberal. I don’t like a LOT of things he’s done.
However, look at the alternatives we had back then... I think I’m quite satisfied with him as president, regardeless if there is someone out there who could have done better, they weren’t running for president at the time.
I remember when Ronny got elected and thinking oh my God, we just elected a grade B actor for our president, we are doomed.
Look how that tured out !
Fred is no Ronny, but looks like the best thing we have to run with.
I would support Fred if nominated. I would rather have others like Hunter or Paul.
I base my decisions on smaller govt & a healthy respect for constitutional rights. 2A & property rights figure prominently as does 4A & due process. At moments, Fred has shown support for larger govt and certain gun control. Not alot, but its definitely there.
I encourage any candidate that hasn’t already irreparably tainted themselves (e.g., see Giuliani’s HCI pic) to campaign on smaller govt and constitutional rights. These issues trump all others. For a candidate to be hostile toward them or simply ignore as irrelevant them gets nothing but my contempt. These topics need discussed & debated.
Cuz that is precisely what you contend.
One could argue that the House and Senate could have had a much better chance of staying Republican...and with a Democrat as president, more gridlock would have been nice for small government conservatives, assuming that more gridlock would have actually occurred.
There is, however, the trade offs. Our response post September 11, 2001 would have likely been softer with monetary concessions to build a coalition and we would not have had Alito and Roberts at the high court for many more years to come.
You know what, come to think of it, I didn't need to make a reply after working that one out. And, since I just went through the effort of composing this, why even bother deleting it and not sharing my breif and fleeting conflicting thought.
FRed is not “a typical politician”. A typical politician doesn’t return to private life after a Congressional term.
“A typical politician” isn’t the single holdout no vote on multiple bills, due to Constitutional reasons.
And FRed’s only acted because he brought down a corrupt governor, and they couldn’t find anyone to play him.
“You can’t directly force things into law, but you can damn well steer things in your direction for many years to come.”
True. I did mention the SCOTUS in my first comment and also that such appointments do nothing more than act as a temporary patch to a self destructing process as we now have.
No matter how many bandaids get put on an infected limb, if the infection isn’t treated, it’ll go to gangrene. Then, the only option left is the knife and a lot of trauma.
Fix the problem at the source of infection, not as attempts at addressing the symptoms.
Unfortunately, for Paul, the war will not be an issue come Nov08, as predicted by Rush, and domestic policy will become at least equally, if not the dominate factor. That is where Paul will fail. His ideas are too radical for people to understand at this point. Maybe sometime later, the conditions will be there that people will go for dramatic change but they aren't quite there yet. Almost nothing he proposes to change domestically can be done or will be accomplished without huge political backlash - and that is assuming that Paul isn't cut to shreds by MSM and Democratic Demonization, putting in a Democrat POTUS.
The Status quo won’t build a border fence. Fred Thompson will.
“..he (Fred Thompson) is a typical politician”
Typical Politicians do not impose term limits on themselves. Fred Thompson chose not to run for a third term in the Senate.
“And the fact that he is an actor is another thing I don’t like.”
As far as being an actor, he never sought out an acting career, but fell into one, after an outstanding legal career. So what if he has employment completely outside of government and the law? That’s good. Would you prefer he was a lobbyist instead of an actor?
CFR member? What’s that?
I would trust Fred on immigration issues before I would Paul.
I know how it distresses Paul fans when anything is posted about his RECORD.
Paul has some questionable votes in this area (3 times voted for amnesty for visa over stayers, etc), but let’s look at just a couple of recent ones and you decide WHY he would vote against these measures.
H.Res. 800- a resolution stating that that States should not issue driver’s licenses or other government-issued photo identification to aliens who are unlawfully present in the United States.
Paul voted NO http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/ROLL_100.asp
H.R. 4160- legislation withholding highway funds from those states which issue a driver’s license or identification card to illegal aliens.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-h4160/show Paul did not co sponsor- no final vote yet.
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