Posted on 12/29/2007 4:25:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind
What a coincidence. NASA has started a new program for going to the moon.
I don’t knw, I suggest soliciting some replies from their graduates.
The kids insult you, make fun of you, and are nasty as all get out......and I am at a “good” school. ... snip ... I really felt called to teach, and the money wasn’t an issue...we get by just fine. But, some days are just pure hell.
My wife is a skilled teacher who teaches upper level math and science classes, also in a good school. I hear some of the same stories. I personally think that the fundamental issues is the flawed, dominant view that our compulsory education is an entitlement, not dependent upon the performance of the student. A better view would be that an education is a benefit provided by society to all who will apply themselves and treat staff and fellow students with courtesy and respect. Those who provide the benefit deserve a return on investment and the ability to cut our losses, expelling those who won't do the work or treat others with courtesy and respect. I personally believe that the latter deserve the consequences of their failure.
I’m not familiar with the current hiring practices of graduates, I do know from experience, that if someone has a degree and worked in the companies I worked for, they would receive more pay over their employment period. Most non-degreed pay scales flatten off after over time, while those positions for degreed personnel, tend to get promotions, especially to management positions.
I don’t know about demand for grduates, but I do know thqt degreed people earn more, even if doing the same job as a non-degreed person.
Yes, as in just about everything, it depends.
Not true for where I work. If I went to work tomorrow with a BS, I would get more money, different title, and continue with what I am doing.
Yes, of course it’s what I think, based on my experience. Obviously, I do not have the same situation as your cousin.
My education “degree” is not a degree at all, but an EMPHASIS.
My degree is in history, what I intended to teach. I had to do a thesis and learn how to analyze arguments, research etc. It was not a pud program.
The education classes were just in addition.
Unless you are elementary, I don’t know anybody with an education “degree.” The degree is in the subject you are teaching.
My niece, who is going to school for aeronautical engineering and dreams of becoming an astronaut has just been given approval to go to California for a NASA COOP. She may get to work on the lunar lander IIRC.
Good for you. That is exactly the right course of study. Now if the kiddos don’t drive you batty...
I have seen too many science ed and math ed degrees that did not have a BS in either math or science. These are a disservice to everyone.
Well, right there, that tells me that your ability/attitude is going to be superior to many in the industry.
I call these jobs 'Sherwin-Williams jobs.' When I'd go to the job fairs,' poor old Sherwin-Williams reps would be sitting at their table as lonely as the Maytag repair man. Everybody was lined up for Anderson and Deloitte, etc.
However, I bet a gig at Sherwin-Williams pays the bills, puts you on the track to a nice management position and you can do worse things in your life than supply folks with paint.
I told my son not to overlook companies like this; there may not be a lot of glitz to them, but they're not bad jobs at all.
My brother is an accountant and there’s a plenty of entry level accounting jobs in metro DC. If you can’t find one where you are, I suggest you to “move” and actually go out and get yourself an interview with an accounting firm and be willing to start at the bottom.
When asked, I do not advise anyone to go to law school these days unless their life’s desire is to be a litigator, for which you need to be a member of the bar. You come out with less debt, more opportunity with an MBA (even an MBA/JD is better than the JD alone) or a specialized masters which often includes an internship or summer job in the field.
The days of ‘I have a law degree, I can do anything’ are long gone and the debt for most grads (who don’t make the mega money, as you mentioned) lasts a life time.
When I went to undergrad, most people didn’t have student loans, so some debt from law school was manageable. But nowadays, with undergrad and law school debt, I think students are fooling themselves if they think some million dollar job is just waiting for them when they pass the bar.
A friend from college went on to an Ivy League law school, specialized in securities law and landed a primo job as an associate with a white shoe law firm in NYC. He was on the fast track.
Then he lost the job during an economic downturn in the 80's and couldn't get a similar position. All the young eager lawyers were out of work.
He ended up taking a job with a company that makes toilets and plumbing hardware in East Overshoe. He was mortified about it, didn't want to tell people, but he had a new bride and had to take a job. He used to joke about how his law career had gone down the toilet."
Nearly twenty years later he's still with the company, still living in Bugtussle, but now he is the chief in-house counsel for one of the largest firms in the industry.
He still jokes about his career going into the toilet. I don't think he's embarrassed anymore.
Are you an EE?
In either case, my point here is that kids are told by blow-hard politicians to do good in school and then go to college. It angers me that the same politicians will then approve trade deals to pull the carpet from under Americans that make the sacrifice to better themselves and help America to be an industrial leader.
Where's the loyalty? There is none. That goes to the lobbyists.
I am all for capitalism. But, capitalism, just like anything can be misapplied.
One of the obvious answers to me is to reimpose real tariffs just as we did before income tax. Yes, did you know that the entire federal budget was funded by tariffs until about 1905?
Now, there are plenty of "free-traders" (I call then RINOs) who will scream "protectionism!" at the mere mention of it. But, what's wrong with protecting our nation? We do it militarily, why not economically? Do you think other countries don't protect themselves? Germany? Japan? China? Of course they do. They are not stupid. And we're not stupid either. - We're just being sold out by our "leaders". Do they give a rats' ass? No! They "got theirs". They have secured their positions in the elite ruling class.
I beleive that under the current conditions, we will move away from a primarily middle class society toward one where elites will increasingly consolidate power and money.
If we keep going as we have, there will be nothing of significance innovated or made in America. Am I one of those people who say its Bush's fault? I think he's a small part of it. If we keep going as we have, you will be competing with a 100 who live in India and are willing to do your job for $8,000 a year.
But, that's OK. We can all get jobs in the service sector as beauticians or working in hotels that cater to rich foreign tourists.
Accounting degrees never did pay much. Write your CPA with a Certified Information Systems Auditor or Certified Financial Systems Auditor.
As Blutto from Animal House said...”six years of collage down the drain!”
;-)
Is that pettiness, envy, or just spite?
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