ANSWERS TO 50 ANTI-MORMON QUESTIONS (LDS SITE FAIR)

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[tantiboh]

Decorated, yes. Smothered, no.

Now, granted, Thompson supporters have become eerily quiet in the last few days. Losing does that to a person. But for months, every single Romney thread got immediately hijacked with claims that Thompson was the only true conservative, and with various repetitious attacks on Romney, and Thompson threads were largely self-congratulatory echo chambers. Nothing new, nothing thoughtful. It was cool to be pro-Thompson on FR, so why should they be intellectual? In the meantime, Romney supporters on FR have had to develop rational arguments to support their candidate. As a result, we can now debate Thompson supporters under the table. All they can say is, “That guy’s a RINO flip-flopper!”

Go ahead, ask me why I support Romney. I dare ya. That’s a good topic for a News/Activism thread.

[greyfoxx39]

It was cool to be pro-Thompson on FR, so why should they be intellectual?

Again, you're projecting your problem with FR onto me, Tant...I told you to take it up with Jim Robinson.

[tantiboh]

Bookmarked for perusal.

[P-Marlowe]

LOL, WHAT A HOOT!....Every mitt thread is decorated with smitten female mittbots raving about his wonderful HAIR, his GOOD LOOKS, his SMILE....I guess you could call it "fanGIRLism" in that case.

[tantiboh]

lol

[Colofornian]

...LDS theology holds that we are like God, albeit in embryonic form. In the sense that we have within us the potential to become as He is, we are co-equal, just as your son is co-equal to you and has the potential to develop and grow to become as you are. Don’t like that theology? That’s fine. [Tantiboh]

Spunky, Tantiboh hit the brakes on this exactly where their leaders have told them of late to smooth it over whereever possible with historic Christian theology. (See, we're only teaching Christian maturity and Christian godliness and Christlikeness...why what could be wrong with that?)

So let me pick it up where Tanty left off...and then wind around to the "pre" portion also not covered...

Let's see the left-off point...oh, yeah...just as your son is co-equal to you and has the potential to develop and grow to become as you are...

So you see, Spunky, just as your son can also be married as you are for all your life, you also can be spiritually married for all eternal life...& you & your goddess can have millions of spirit babies to populate your own planet. (I guess that would make you "Uncle god" to your nephews & nieces of spirits & enfleshed spirits on other planets run by other gods...while your spirit-kids are their cousins).

And just as your Heavenly Father is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, you too can become all of these as your own god of your own world.

Now for the "pre-pre-existent world": Well, just as Tantiboh said that we have within us the potential to become as He is, well, that also applied to your God. Once upon a time, he was mere potential divinity, a god-wannabe. Then he worked his way up to godhood, bootstraps & all. (Isn't it nice to know that you worship, pray to, sing to, etc. someone who's ONLY resume' for godhood was what he did as a man?)

As Tantiboh says, Don’t like that theology? That’s fine.

[colorcountry]

He saved the Olympics from scandal and doom.

Did he really? What was the scandal and how was it revealed? What would have happened to the Olympics if Mitt hadn't stepped in to become savior? Was anyone ever convicted of any crime in regards to this so-called "scandal?"

Romney was set-up by the powers that be in Utah, to take the national stage in his lead-up to his run for POTUS. It is as simple as that. Anyone who takes the time to research the so-called scandal will find that the original Olympics organizing committee was doing a very adequate job in the planning, construction, funding and orchestrating of the Olympics. A single "anonymous" letter charging the officials with bribery was placed upon the desk of a Salt Lake City reporter. The rest is history.

[LiteKeeper]

A duck by any other name is still a duck, and the Church of LDS, by any apologetic is still the Church of LDS, and it is still a non-Christian religious cult.

[MHGinTN]

The following is probably more revelation from the Romney campaign worker than he was supposed to reveal:

If Romney is the nominee, the anti-Mormons will be castigated into silence for not uniting behind the party’s candidate.
154 posted on 12/29/2007 3:18:10 PM EST by tantiboh

Reveals what the Romney camp is counting on if he manages to buy the nomination. But it won't work, as their vigorous campaign to shut people up by calling them bigots, haters, etc. has shown at FR.

The poster almost comes across as a neutral party, just defending his religion. But the protestations that were solely in defense of Mormonism a few months ago have turned slowly to the promoting of Romney as viable regardless of religious baggage ... and we see what the coming plans are in the Romney campaign to try and win against the DNC choice. The problem the Mormon cabal has is that they cannot shut up all voices and they now know this because their squelch campaign at places like FR has failed to silence opposition to the cultish beliefs in Mormonism and thus left Romney exposed to rejection by Conservative Christians. The poster showed a lot when he slipped and asserted the above.

[greyfoxx39]

As a matter of fact, let me point you to a post by JR himself to a very similar complaint by one of your fellow Romney supporters:

 

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944566/posts?page=118#118

 

 

To: TheLion

"This "anti-endorsement" is unprecedented, unfair, un-American and unwise."

Un-American? America was founded on the concepts of liberty and freedom, including freedom of religion, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There is nothing un-American about criticising candidates or any facet of their lives including their personal philosophies or their religious beliefs. It's a guaranteed freedom. Perhaps the RINO Romney and his supporters would prefer living in a closed society where criticism and free speech are not allowed? If a candidate can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen!

posted on 12/26/2007 9:23:33 PM MST by Jim  Robinson   (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)

 

 

"This "anti-endorsement" is unprecedented, unfair, un-American and unwise."

Un-American? America was founded on the concepts of liberty and freedom, including freedom of religion, freedom of the press and freedom of speech. There is nothing un-American about criticising candidates or any facet of their lives including their personal philosophies or their religious beliefs. It's a guaranteed freedom. Perhaps the RINO Romney and his supporters would prefer living in a closed society where criticism and free speech are not allowed? If a candidate can't take the heat, he should stay out of the kitchen!

[Brad from Tennessee]

Murderers and rapists are extreme examples too.

But, if you take a double murderer like Karla Faye Tucker of Texas who said she repented and was saved and tried to influence other convicts, I’d say God only knows.

Tucker’s last words were:

“Yes sir, I would like to say to all of you – the Thornton family and Jerry Dean’s family that I am so sorry. I hope God will give you peace with this. Baby, I love you. Ron, give Peggy a hug for me. Everybody has been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I am going to be face to face with Jesus now. Warden Baggett, thank all of you so much. You have been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I will see you all when you get there. I will wait for you.”

[tantiboh]

~”...& you & your goddess can have millions of spirit babies to populate your own planet.”~

Blast it, Colo, we keep telling you! It’s “Universe” not “Planet.” Will you please get it straight?

I swear, you people and your underestimation of human potential. Why should I be satisfied with one measly little planet? “All that God hath” actually means something, you know. Good grief.

[tantiboh]

~"Romney was set-up by the powers that be in Utah, to take the national stage in his lead-up to his run for POTUS."~

[tantiboh]

~”The following is probably more revelation from the Romney campaign worker...”~

Now THAT’s entertainment!

Seriously, you flatter me. Here I am in my little apartment in CO, sitting at my computer in my [magic] undies, and you think I’m a Romney campaign worker. It’s cute, MHG.

[tantiboh]

I’m sorry, I’m missing the similarity. I’m speaking to the quality of FR as a site for political discourse and insight - and I think the current mood has made that quality suffer. I’m very hopeful that this problem will fade over time.

[Colofornian]

Mormons bother you so much that you’ll do anything to see to it that we aren’t offered the privilege of mainstream acceptance.

We need to define what "mainstream acceptance" is: If a Mormon-is-a-Christian-and-a-Christian-is-an-apostate (as LDS would redefine it), then we have come full circle to Smith's false vision from two unnamed personages. Now why would you expect Christians to have such welcoming arms to being labeled "corrupt" full of abominable beliefs? We're now supposed to assist Mormons in labeling what is precious to the Lord as His Word as an "abomination?"

Where’s your faith in God? If we are wrong, we will fail along with every other false doctrine.

Why did Paul & Jesus warn others about counterfeits? (Where was their faith? Is that what we should be asking?)

Paul: "Be on guard for yourselves & for all the flock...savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. And men from among yourselves will rise up with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them. Therefore, be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears." (Acts 20:28-31)

(Sounds like a pretty high priority of Paul's, doncha think? Wasn't Smith from a Protestant-linked family? Did he not "rise up" with distinct "doctrines" and did he not "lure" other "disciples into following" him?)

Jesus: "If anyone tells you, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, "over here!' do not beleive it! False messiahs and false prophets will arise...to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance." (Matt. 24:23-25)

Why is the mainstreaming of Mormonism such a problem, if it’s in opposition to God? Doesn’t He have the power to defeat the false?

Why did Paul make a custom of visiting with the religious people of his day when he entered a new town...heading off to the synagogue? If those proclaiming what they were was in opposition to God, didn't He have the power to defeat the false? Why do you assume God doesn't use men & women to defeat the false?

May I suggest you re-read Acts 17-19 to see how Paul and Apollos & others confronted the false & incomplete religious people of their day. (And how this wasn't because they "lacked faith?")

That’s why I leave your religion alone.

Do you tithe to the LDS church? If not, do you give a significant portion of your income to that church? Do they publish the Pearl of Great Price (PoGP)? Does the PoGP label all "Christian sects" as 100% full of "corrupt professors?" Does the PoGP say "ALL" "Christian sects...are wrong?" Does the PoGP say our creeds are "ALL" an "abomination in His sight?" Do your funds go toward missionaries whose families cannot afford to pay their own way? Do your million missionaries (accumulative total according to LDS PR Web site) have as one of their top 4 lessons to teach the doctrine of the apostasy & restoration? Does this doctrine teach a 100% apostasy of the Christian church by the 4th century? Is this doctrine taught in numerous LDS publications paid for by your (& other LDS) offerings? What about the Book of Mormon? All of the above applies to that material as well...Doesn't the BoM teach that the great "abominable church" will persecute the Saints in the latter days? Doesn't it teach that this "church is of the devil?" Doesn't it teach that there's only 2 churches, one of which the LDS church says is the Church of the Lamb...thereby pinpointing the rest to be the "church of the devil?"

And yet you have the nerve to claim you don't attack us?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***>>appropriate for you, an ex-Mormon now professing the religion of atheism,***

On the Larry King Show years ago Madaline Murray O’Hair said that the best atheists were former Mormons and Catholics.

[Elsie]

Two hundred graduating students at Brigham Young University-Hawaii have been urged to use the Internet - including blogs and other forms of "new media" - to contribute to a national conversation about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Official Meat of the LDS Organization based in Salt Lake City Utah.

"Use your Words of Wisdom Wisely!"

[broncobilly]

I think that your ‘church’ is going to find that Myth Romney running for President may have been one of the worst things to happen as you will see your conversion rates plummet due to the curiosity about his faith. Curiosity breeds research, and that is definitely not where you want any potential covert to go. 2 hours on Google and your mishies would be laughed out the front door upon which they knocked.

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I hate to break it to you, but history proves you are mistaken.
Where is the anti-Mormonism the worst in the US? In the South. Where is the LDS Church growing the fastest in the US? In the South.
I have seen the effect specifically in the stories told me by two families. They were mildly interested in Mormonism and listened to missionaries. They never came to the point where they wanted to join the Church. Then their relatives and ministers entered the picture and began giving them the type of material that has been posted on this thread. They compared what they were learning from the missionaries and what their so called friends and families were telling them. They were so disgusted by the latter that it shook their faith in their previous religious heritage. They decided to cast their lot with the Mormons.
What happens is that the lies, the distortions, the exaggerations, and the unChristian behavior of the antis do them in. They are their own worst enemy. So flame away, and let the Mormons reap the harvest.

[tantiboh]

Your argument is a red herring. I don’t attack your church. My church doesn’t attack you church.

What my church does is teach its members that it is the only church that is correct, and why. Your church does the same thing, I would presume.

If you find -that- threatening, then you need a thicker skin and more confidence in your own beliefs.