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Anyone who doesn't give Giuliani great credit for cleaning up the Dinkens Disaster is just blowing smoke. The cleanup was not the result of years of urban planning, and it wasn't just in Times Square. Maybe he is a cross-dressing, gun-grabbing, pro abortionist, but he did a hell of a job for NYC.

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...years of urban planning

That's the problem. The bureaucrats will spend YEARS studying the problems and avoiding any decisions that might OFFEND someone.

Rudy came in as said "Get it done!". And it was. My support for Rudy is largely based on his refusal to put up with nonsense from public unions and bureaucracies.

NYState Gov Nelsen Rockefeller was also tough on crime. That didn't make him a conservative. He remained a life long liberal. Same goes for Rooty Giuliani. After eight years of Giuliani as Mayor of NYC, the Big Apple was still the abortion capitol of America, the highest taxed big city in America, a welfare city, with the second highest debt next to the federal government, with some of the toughest gun control laws in the nation, home to gay activism and illegal alien protection, along with being a sanctuary city.

Screw Giuliani!

Anyone who doesn't give Giuliani great credit for cleaning up the Dinkens Disaster is just blowing smoke. The cleanup was not the result of years of urban planning, and it wasn't just in Times Square. Maybe he is a cross-dressing, gun-grabbing, pro abortionist, but he did a hell of a job for NYC.

I visited NYC for the first time in 1977 with three Navy buddies. Even though we were four young men in our mid-20's, we spent our time there looking over our shoulders not feeling very safe and being told we should not have walked in areas that we did.

It was urban armpit and I avoided the place for the next 30 years.

This year, after all the talk about how things had changed, I decided to take my teen-aged daughter there for 10 days this summer.

The subways were safe and filled with normal people as was Central Park. At night, the streets were filled with people out for dinner at countless restaurants.

It was great and my daughter loved it.

I know that New York City is the city we love to hate but I would highly recommend it now for a family vacation.

The cleanup was not the result of years of urban planning

The cleanup was the result of Rudy defining the principal job of the police to take care of crime as job 1, and making sure they adopted strategies to do that. It did not require a lot of advanced planning. It required getting the police to focus on details of where crimes were being committed and who was doing it.

You have to remember how hard this is anywhere, because on the average day the average citizen in New York, or anywhere, is much more focused on hating his neighbor who parked 3 hrs in a 2 hr parking zone as he is about rapists and muggers. It is something about the American psyche, I think.

Funny, you can’t say anything nice about someone, lest you are considered a Rudy booster. I think he is great at public speaking, does that make me a Rudy booster too?