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Did Giuliani Really Clean Up Times Square?
AP via CBS News ^ | Dec. 28, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 12/28/2007 4:13:08 PM PST by jdm

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To: gitmo
The article is fairly accurate.

The "revival" of Times Square took place over a period of more than a decade. Specifically, it began in the mid-1980s when the NYC Planning Commission formally approved the zoning changes for the "new" Times Square district. The area would have seen improvement much sooner than it did, but the stock market crash of 1987 and the real estate decline that occurred in the aftermath of the 1986 changes in the Federal tax code caused many institutional investors to scale back their exposure to new real estate projects.

The "official" start of the Times Square renaissance occurred when the first two major companies -- Disney and Bertelsmann AG -- signed deals to move into new buildings in the Times Square area. Both of these deals were signed in 1993 -- when David Dinkins was still mayor of New York City.

41 posted on 12/28/2007 5:26:56 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: MattinNJ

Agree 100%. Rudy is not my 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, but the whining liberals that are quoted here in this newspaper article are the same ones that were screaming bloody murder that Rudy was taking all the ‘urban charm and excitement’ out of New York, while he enforced laws, supported the police, cut crime and evicted sleaze merchants. Since it turns out people actually like a low crime city where they can take their kids, they want to claim David Dinkins wanted to do the same thing if he hadn’t been chased out of office for doing nothing.

Rudy isn’t what America needs, but he is just about the best that the Big Apple has to offer.


42 posted on 12/28/2007 5:33:24 PM PST by CaptainMorgantown
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To: Alberta's Child

Did you live in NYC to witness Giuliani’s turnaround of NYC in person?


43 posted on 12/28/2007 5:34:05 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: CaptainMorgantown

Tom Duane, the AIDS-infected councilman quoted in this article fought Giuliani’s attempts to shut down the Adonis Theatre. That venue was probably responsible for half the AIDs infections in NYC. Luckily, Rudy succeeded in closing down the Adonis and the AIDS-for-Everyone lobby lost.


44 posted on 12/28/2007 5:38:47 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Alberta's Child

Wrong. It started with the Marquis hotel that started negotiating for land back in the early 1980s.


45 posted on 12/28/2007 5:39:39 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: NYC Republican

I agree with you completely. I was born in upstate NY and my parents would never go to the “city” because it was so awful. Driving to the airports the highways were littered with dead cars left there forever. NYC changed for the better while Rudy was in office. I can speak personally of the change as I live in CT now as an adult and we do not fear the “city” at all. Times Square is amazing in its transformation. This naked guy playing the guitar I have never seen.
We feel safer in Manhattan than in Hartford or New Haven, CT.


46 posted on 12/28/2007 5:40:46 PM PST by mojo114 (Happy New Year!)
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To: jdm

You’re from NYC right?


47 posted on 12/28/2007 5:41:04 PM PST by AliVeritas (ah, the sheer grace! in darkness and concealment, my house being now all stilled.)
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To: jdm

When did you live in NYC?


48 posted on 12/28/2007 5:45:06 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jdm

http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/2007/1130/News/010.html

Takes Aim At His Myth
WTC Board Game Zings Rudy

By ARI PAUL

Pete Gleason, an ex-cop who’s now an attorney, can add board game developer to his list of professions, as he unveiled the prototype for his Ground Zero board game Nov. 20, a work of satire he believes can shape the course of the presidential campaign.

READ more at the above link, there is no love for Rudy from the New York City Police Department


49 posted on 12/28/2007 5:50:41 PM PST by diefree
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To: durasell

Maybe so, but I believe the Marriott Marquis Hotel was built under the existing zoning, not as part of the overall Times Square re-zoning.


50 posted on 12/28/2007 5:52:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: jimbo123
Yes.

New York City was a dump before Giuliani was mayor. It's a much better city now, but I despise the place for different reasons.

51 posted on 12/28/2007 5:53:42 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: diefree

Some more stories from the Rudy-bashing newspaper you linked to:

http://www.thechief-leader.com/news/2007/1109/news/016.html

DC 37’s National Union Taps Clinton

By MEREDITH KOLODNER

The executive board of the 1.4-million-member American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees voted 23 to 10 last week to endorse Hillary Clinton for President.


52 posted on 12/28/2007 5:56:39 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: Alberta's Child

What neighborhood did you live in?


53 posted on 12/28/2007 5:57:45 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jdm
It's like the Rudy 9/11 myth that his supporters have concocted - when you scratch the surface you find out that Rudy should get credit because he "was there when it happened."

Increasingly, the American people are seeing through these false myths and are seeing Rudy for what he really is. That's why he's going down in the polls.

As Rudy's "base" shrinks, it becomes increasingly dominated by females without self-esteem and males who are homosexual.

Say goodbye to Rudy.

54 posted on 12/28/2007 6:02:06 PM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: jimbo123

So?


55 posted on 12/28/2007 6:04:59 PM PST by diefree
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To: Reagan Man
You don’t know me and you don’t know WTF you’re talking about either.

Actually I do know you from your posts. You left NYC before Giuliani became Mayor, didn't you?

And for a Reagan Man, you sure do write negatively about a man Reagan appointed to be Associate Attorney General and subsequently US Attorney for the Southern District here. The late, great President would not be pleased.

ML/NJ

56 posted on 12/28/2007 6:05:17 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: jdm

Having lived in NYC through the morass that was David Dinkins, I’d say unequivocally that Times Square redevelopment got a major impetus from the election of Rudolph Giuliani. While Rudy has many issues (well-characterized here), this piece is sour grapes.


57 posted on 12/28/2007 6:08:35 PM PST by sono (Washington, DC. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.)
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To: Caramelgal
[Giuliani didn't conduct an extermination campaign of sex shop owners and people who frequent them. He didn't put them into concentration camps and then throw them into ovens so as to make them no longer exist. They still exist somewhere.] Are you suggesting that he should have?

No. I was being sarcastic, in an attempt to illustrate the stupidity inherent in the takedown of Giuliani contained in the above article.

58 posted on 12/28/2007 6:10:28 PM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: diefree

Just wondering why you didn’t identify your source as a New York City civil servants union publication whose members have endorsed Hillary for President, that all...


59 posted on 12/28/2007 6:12:13 PM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123

It’s a paper for all civil servants in New York, not just the folks at DC-37


60 posted on 12/28/2007 6:13:56 PM PST by diefree
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