Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Did Giuliani Really Clean Up Times Square?
AP via CBS News ^ | Dec. 28, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 12/28/2007 4:13:08 PM PST by jdm

Times Square is crammed with tourists, and not just for New Year's Eve. These days, they're eager to gawk at the glittering lights of Broadway and visit attractions like Madame Tussauds Wax Museum and the MTV studios.

But 15 years ago, the place was considered a cesspool, overrun with crime and home to sex shops and peep shows. Drug addicts shot up on the street. Locals avoided the neighborhood.

The man who has taken the credit for revitalizing Times Square is GOP presidential hopeful and former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. He has made Times Square a symbol for how he tamed the evils of an out-of-control city and turned it into a tourist-friendly destination.

"It's called getting things done," he said at a fundraiser this year.

It's not that clear-cut, a closer examination of the Times Square renaissance shows.

While even his critics will say Giuliani deserves praise for his part in redevelopment of the area, the finished product was the culmination of decades of work that came before he was elected, according to lawmakers and urban planners.

"State agencies had plans in place to develop 42nd Street well before Giuliani," said Ethel Sheffer, an urban planning expert who led a quality-of-life study on Times Square during the redevelopment. Any large-scale redevelopment "takes a long time to unfold," she said.

The Times Square plan was in the works during the 1980s, when state officials and then-Mayor Ed Koch used eminent domain to condemn and take control of decrepit buildings.

But there was no legal way to control businesses until the City Council initiated a study during the administration of David Dinkins, who preceded Giuliani as mayor, that would allow them to pass rezoning laws if they could prove sex businesses were harming residential areas.

Walter McCaffrey, a former City Council member, said the idea to rezone wasn't even related to Times Square at first. It started with a neighborhood in Queens near the Queensboro Bridge that had suffered when topless bars and porn shops moved in. After the study, the City Council drew up stricter zoning laws that prohibited sex-oriented theaters, bookstores, massage parlors and dance clubs from operating within 500 feet of homes, houses of worship, schools or one another.

The law passed in 1995 - about two years after Giuliani took office.

By this time, the area was already changing, urban planning experts say. The paced quickened after the legal challenges to the zoning laws were defeated and Giuliani bore down.

Says Charles Millard, a former City Councilman and head of the city's Economic Development Corp: "I drafted the law that allowed us to do this constitutionally when David Dinkins was mayor, but until Rudy became mayor and pushed it through his planning commission, and pushed it through the city, not a thing had happened."

Others say Giuliani was in the right place at the right time, as the economy boomed in the 1990s and shifted toward tourism, real estate and Wall Street. The proliferation of Internet porn also made many sex shops obsolete.

"It was kind of like a perfect storm for him," said Arturo Ignacio Sanchez, a City and Regional Planning professor at Cornell University. The process started with Koch, picked up speed under Dinkins and really accelerated under Giuliani, he said, adding: "It fast forwards with warp speed under Bloomberg, and you have the city today."

Times Square has always lived a double life - even a century ago the 10-block stretch of busy Midtown streets was home to upscale splendor as well as hidden brothels and fetid hotels. With the invention of neon and the rise of Broadway shows, the area slowly became the entertainment center of the city.

But by the time Giuliani took office, the area had fallen into decline. In 1993, nearly 4,000 incidents of crime were reported in the area, according to the Times Square Alliance, a business group.

Part of the revival was the arrival of upscale hotels, theme stores and restaurants - businesses that Giuliani helped lure with a private-public team of developers.

Disney received a low-interest loan from the city to give a facelift to the New Amsterdam Theater on 42nd Street, considered by some to be the crown jewel of the new Times Square. The renovated theater soon drew in other businesses, such as MTV, ESPN and other media companies.

Giuliani talks on the campaign trail about the eradication of porn shops from Times Square and about declining crime rates during his tenure.

"It didn't happen by accident, it didn't happen by wishing they went away," Giuliani said in a speech in October. "It happened based on a very well-organized campaign, a study demonstrating the impact of pornography on neighborhoods, an intense battle in court that nobody thought we would win, and we won. And most importantly, the pornographers lost and they were chased out of Times Square."

There are still some sex shops in Times Square, but the majority of them disappeared long ago. Some simply relocated.

Former City Councilman Thomas Duane was among the few who voted against the rezoning laws in the 1990s, in part because he was not eager to see the sex shops simply switch neighborhoods.

"He didn't get rid of them from New York City, he dispersed them from Times Square, mostly to the industrial waterfront areas of the city," Duane said of Giuliani.

"And as Manhattan became a more attractive place to live, people started moving into those communities and now the same problem exists," he said. "It just doesn't exist much where the tourists go."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: giuliani; nyc; redevelopment; rudy; timessquare
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220221-227 last
To: EDINVA
Interesting, thanks for that info. I had no idea that the rudyhaters here were truthers too, I knew many were anti Iraq war, hate the “neo-cons” and such, and knew they were conspirazoids, but not as bad as truthers.

LOL

Good grief, probably RP supporters.

221 posted on 12/29/2007 11:56:03 PM PST by roses of sharon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 218 | View Replies]

To: tear gas
Rudy used the remains to fill pot holes.

1. Sifted sub-1/4 inch dirt is not "human remains". Has this still not sunk in? Why do you keep trying to pretend that it is?

2. You haven't given a single shred of evidence that "Rudy" did any of this, directly or indirectly. Did Rudy drive the machinery? Did Rudy even know these details of whether the dirt was sifted to the 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 inch? Did Rudy personally give the order regarding where to take and what to do with this dirt? If you're going to feign such anger at Rudy shouldn't you at least establish that Rudy did this supposedly horrible thing?

How can you be so infatuated with a man like that?

You are either a liar or truly dense.

I have NOT said ANYTHING in this thread indicating that

1. Rudy is "my hero"

2. I will be voting for Rudy

3. that I am "infatuated" with Rudy

4. or that I even like Rudy, for that matter.

I have said no such thing here, so either figure that out or stop lying about me.

I am simply responding to a silly article and silly comments containing truly idiotic gripes against the guy.

Refused to answer questions. What a man!

He refused to answer questions "about his foreknowledge of the WTC collapse". That is wise because such questions are part of left-wing ideologues' and lunatics' idiotic conspiracy theories. Are you one of them? Why are you giving credence to left-wing lunatic conspiracy theories?

Do you still wonder why New York's first responders have no respect for Rudy?

What I wonder is why you keep pretending to speak for "New York's first responders". You haven't given a single shred of evidence as to what any single "New York's first responder" thinks about ANYTHING one way or the other. It's almost as if you think "New York's first responders" is a magic phrase requiring everyone else to instantly agree with whatever YOU CLAIM "New York's first responders" believe.

222 posted on 12/30/2007 5:40:53 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: EDINVA
“We are Change” ... it’s international leftists.

Yup.

It's amazing how this hatred of Giuliani is warping some peoples' thinking. Freepers resorting to crackpot conspiracy theories and posting left-wing links. Anything as long as it'll damage Rudy!

Bizarre.

223 posted on 12/30/2007 5:43:17 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 218 | View Replies]

To: ml/nj

Funny, you can’t say anything nice about someone, lest you are considered a Rudy booster. I think he is great at public speaking, does that make me a Rudy booster too?


224 posted on 01/03/2008 8:23:05 AM PST by mnehring
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: mnehrling
It's really worse than that. Denying that he did a great job cleaning up NYC is just silly, or worse.

ML/NJ

225 posted on 01/03/2008 12:51:33 PM PST by ml/nj
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 224 | View Replies]

To: durasell

I hate Rudy for President but he did clean up the city. When I left in 1992 we never went to Times Square it was for whores and crack heads. Rudy cleaned up NYC.


226 posted on 01/03/2008 12:55:07 PM PST by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: angcat

Yes, yes, he cleaned it up all by himself by force of will.


227 posted on 01/03/2008 7:39:08 PM PST by durasell (!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 226 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 161-180181-200201-220221-227 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson