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Energy bill cuts national forest wood waste
Rapid City Journal ^ | 28 dec 07 | Steve Miller

Posted on 12/28/2007 6:48:56 AM PST by rellimpank

A last-minute change in the federal energy bill discourages the use of wood chips, tree limbs and other wood waste from national forests in the production of ethanol, according to a forest industry spokesman.

The surprise provision makes no sense, says Aaron Everett, a spokesman for the Black Hills Forest Resource Association.

The energy bill passed by Congress and signed by the president earlier this month requires an increase in the amount of ethanol produced from renewable biomass materials such as grasses and wood waste. The bill requires 21 billion gallons of ethanol to be produced from biomass, including cellulosic materials, by the year 2022. Corn-ethanol production is slated to double, to 15 billion gallons.

(Excerpt) Read more at rapidcityjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; congress; energy; ethanol; forestry; nationalforests
--the headline is somewhat deceptive but it's a good example of the idiotic way in which your Congress and mine works--
1 posted on 12/28/2007 6:48:58 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank; xcamel

ping to the dumbed down, bought off congressional fruitloops, who try to make stupidity and beyond, sound sweet.


2 posted on 12/28/2007 6:52:36 AM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: rellimpank
"I think it fell victim to groups whose aim is to limit, in any way possible, forest management on public lands," he said.

Environmentalist idiots.
3 posted on 12/28/2007 6:53:21 AM PST by Jaysun (It's outlandishly inappropriate to suggest that I'm wrong.)
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To: rellimpank; marsh2

Politics, not science...again :

Corn-ethanol production is slated to double, to 15 billion gallons.

ethanol made from national forest biomass will not qualify for government incentives

(The definition in the bill, however, does appear to list wood waste from tribal lands as qualifying for the renewable biomass definition.)


Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, D-S.D.,...needs to go.


4 posted on 12/28/2007 7:07:48 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Jaysun
"Environmentalist idiots."

I used to think it was part of the Communist Manifesto, but after checking ... I don't know where I got it ... but ...

Somewhere in my past I remember reading a tactic to overthrow your enemy, or to take over a nation ...

"Occupy the minds of the people with trivial matters, while the more important goes on behind their backs"
(or words to that effect)

If I didn't read that somewhere, then I obviously invented it during one of my Mescaline adventures.

The environmrnt did quite well, thank you, with Smoky's warning ... "Only you can prevent forest fires"

That embodied all the common sense needed to preserve our forests and wildlife ... that is until the tactic of generating fear in the hearts of the people that the trees were in danger, the owls, the fish, the _____________ (fill in the blank) To where we are now more than "doped with religion, sex and TV" .. but a myriad of fears that spell our doom.

All these 'fears' being authorized ... yep, authorized .. by the gummint ... to establish laws, while we attempt to put out the forest fire.

5 posted on 12/28/2007 7:16:23 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: george76

Wood waste from tribal lands. Youve got to be kidding, around here there’s no trees left on the res.


6 posted on 12/28/2007 7:26:15 AM PST by snowman1
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To: rellimpank
Corn ethanol as a motor fuel is a total boondoggle. The whole corn ethanol business is awash with federal subsidies from corn field to gas pump and would not exist with out them. Ethanol provides considerably less heat energy per gallon than gasoline and will always give lower gas mileage in a gasoline ethanol blend compared to gasoline alone.

If we could make ethanol cheaply from waste materials without massive subsidies, then there might be some economic sense, but as the program is now and especially with this new energy bill all we are doing is subsidizing corn farmers.

7 posted on 12/28/2007 7:30:44 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Jaysun

I think Archer Daniels Midland had something to do with this.


8 posted on 12/28/2007 8:35:40 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: rellimpank

I wanna see them assho;es stop the spent liquor gassification plant that are about to be built.

Do your search on spent liquor and see for yourseves.

Spent liquor is a byproduct of papermaking and when made inot biofuel, its economics by and far exceeds that of corn fuel.

One plant is in the stages at the NewPage paper corp site at Escanaba Mich.


9 posted on 12/28/2007 8:55:50 AM PST by crz
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To: rellimpank

Very foolish and short-sighted policy. The enviros are convinced that fuel reduction and thining for forest health is the equivalent of clear cutting old growth forests. Our new local Forest Supervisor, who can from Alaska, couldn’t believe that we were arguing on our forests with the enviros on whether to cut 25 diameter inch trees. We don’t even have the capacity any more to mill the bigger trees.

Fuel reduction in the Pacific Northwest and Northern California can be expensive because of the slopes. Any commercial use for submerchantable timber helps to offset the costs of trying to harvest this low value stuff. You need an incentive or necessary forest management becomes prohibitively expensive.

Wood chips for gassifier type applications are one of the potential offsets. Two summers ago, I did a rapid tour of some of the Fuels for Schools projects in Montana. This is where old deisel type heating systems were replaced with gassifier or efficient wood burning boiler systems.

We have been trying to put one in our local high school, which has a 1950s era system that needs replacement. It would save the school $30,000 in fuel costs a year and would provide a nascent market for by-products of fuel reduction. You would not believe the difficulty we are having getting California to buy into this. Meanwhile, they are working to rip out renewable hydropower on our river.

Biodeisel would be another commercial application and could help to economically revitalize forest communities which have been economically and socially devastated by their incredibly ignorant policies.

These people need a good wack upside the head. What ARE they thinking and what planet are they thinking it on?


10 posted on 12/28/2007 9:48:38 AM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2

what planet are they ...

The planet of complete denial.


11 posted on 12/28/2007 9:53:57 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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