Posted on 12/25/2007 7:33:47 PM PST by Tlaloc
Mike Huckabee loves homespun tales and self-deprecating jokes. Mitt Romney basks in PowerPoint slides and statistics. Mr. Huckabee, a firefighter's son, is a Southerner born and bred. Mr. Romney, son of a CEO-turned-governor, roamed from Michigan to Massachusetts to Utah.
They embody two wings of the Republican Party -- social conservatives and economic conservatives -- that sometimes sit uneasily.
While John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson are competitive in national polls, all three are focusing on states after Iowa. The kickoff Jan. 3 caucus here is largely between Messrs. Romney and Huckabee.
Mr. Huckabee displays his Southern Baptist religion proudly, dropping Biblical references and telling reporters he wouldn't hesitate to put the Ten Commandments up in the Oval Office. Mr. Romney is uncomfortable discussing his Mormon faith. He gave a speech devoted to "Faith in America" only after his campaign was put on defense in Iowa by Mr. Huckabee's rise. In the speech, Mr. Romney mentioned Mormonism by name just once.
The differences are a matter of style, too.
Last week in Waterloo, Iowa, Mr. Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, talked about the challenge of overhauling the tax system this way: "In the South, we say if you can't fix it with duct tape and WD-40 it can't be fixed."
A week earlier, Mr. Romney showed a PowerPoint presentation charting the budget deficit. "See how big it gets?" he said, pointing to a line tracking entitlement spending. "This line is the historical average of how much money the federal government takes away from taxpayers."
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Go Fred !
Go Huckster , but only to stop Romney in Iowa if Fred can’t do it .
We are on the same page.
“Hunter112” wrote: “Even a Hillary win would help us rebuild our party if the best we can nominate is a Giuliani, a Huckabee, or a McCain.”
We agree in the case of Giuliani. We disagree in the case of Governor Huckabee. I’m trying to keep an open mind about Senator McCain, but it isn’t easy.
“Iowamark” wrote: “With all due respect, you seem very conflicted. I cannot believe that so many Republicans seem to be considering Leftist candidates.”
With all due respect, you seem brainwashed. Neither Governor Huckabee nor Governor Romney is a leftist candidate.
“AmericanInTokyo” wrote: “Bookmarking this thread right here and now, for if Mike Huckabee succeeds in gaining the Republican Nomination for 2008, and there is a legitimate Conservative third party or independent alternative with ballot access on enough states in theory to give him electoral votes to win (regardless of the polls), I am NOT going to rationalize and vote for Huckabee.”
In my opinion that’s a good approach. Don’t vote for Governor Huckabee unless you come to believe he’s the best candidate.
I am a strong supporter of Fred Thompson.
And, like Fred, I won’t answer your question. You are asking me whether I prefer hanging or the firing squad; or whether I’d prefer a painful but fast acting poison over a slower, but painless one.
I will accept neither. I’m not doing hypotheticals today.
And you consider IOWAMARK brainwashed? LOL!!!
“I’d say Governor Romney is a significantly better (i.e. more conservative) candidate than Senator McCain, and I’d be interested to know whether any supporters of Senator Thompson here would agree.”
They’re both RINO’s. I can’t stand either of them. Fred Thompson is the only logical choice.
“If Governor Huckabee loses in Iowa and Governor Romney loses in New Hampshire, Congressman Hunter is my dark horse for endorsements by James Dobson and Tony Perkins.”
I have read awhile back that Tony Perkins liked Duncan Hunter (not surprisingly).
I called a couple of talk shows to let listeners know just what a social conservative Duncan Hunter is, but it will take more than just me, calling talk shows to get it out. :)
“If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.”
ABSOLUTELY!
But voters need to know just how strong of a social conservative Hunter is, as well as a strong conservative on everything else.
Here’s something that I have saved in my personal files:
“Duncan Hunter’s support of school prayer is not a recent position to pander to religious conservatives. This 1984 article proves it.
School prayer proposal pushed by Hunter in House
SanDiego Union Tribune
March 16, 1984
Marguerite Sullivan
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Hunter cites Gallup polls showing that 81 percent of the American people favor a constitutional amendment allowing prayer in the schools.
“The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution with the firm belief in a Supreme Being. I think it is ironic that we in Congress start each day with a prayer, but public school children are denied the same right,” he says.
Hunter, a second-term congressman, organized the all-night session with the backing of the Conservative Opportunity Society.
The discussion lasted from 1:20 p.m. on March 5 to 9 a.m. March 6, shattering previous records.
Hunter coordinated the event, lining up the 63 members who spoke and assigning them time slots.
The session coincided with Senate debate on the proposed constitutional amendment, which would reverse a 22-year-old Supreme Court ruling, banning organized prayer in public schools.
In the House, it was the first time in 13 years the issue had reached the floor. The Democratic leadership has bottled up the prayer proposal for years.
A House subcommittee hearing is scheduled for the end of this month but committee leaders show few signs of relenting and letting the prayer amendment reach the full House, regardless of what the Senate does.
Hunter’s efforts didn’t go unnoticed at the White House.
A few hours after the talkathon ended, Hunter received a call from President Reagan, who is the most prominent advocate of the school prayer amendment. Reagan said he had received a number of calls from supporters of the amendment, saying they had seen the House proceedings on television.”
http://newswhichcannotlose.blogspot.com/
Neither one has a chance in Hades of beating the Hildebeast.
Thompson, McCain, or Rudy are the only ones who even have a chance.
I’m still fighting hard for Duncan Hunter. I wonder if MSM ever heard of a political upset.
>>If anyone here can provide me with a more recent quotation that contradicts the above statements, it would be much appreciated.<<
“I think Roe v. Wade was bad law and bad medical science. And the way to address that is through good judges. I don’t think the court ought to wake up one day and make new social policy for the country. It’s contrary to what it’s been for the past 200 years. We have a process in this country to do that. Judges shouldn’t be doing that. That’s what happened in that case. I think it was wrong.”
[Transcript of interview with Chris Wallace, FOX news Sunday with Chris Wallace, FOX News, March 11, 2007.]
“I think the Supreme Court was absolutely right in this abortion decision, the… partial-birth abortion decision. The very idea that we could even have a debate over whether or not that atrocious activity should be allowable is very unfortunate, to say the least.”
[Transcript of interview with Sean Hannity, FOX Hannity and Co, Fox News, May, 4 2007.]
“I am pro-life. I have 100 percent voting record on the pro-life issues that come there. I must say — I’ve told people this before — intellectually, and politically, and from a policy standpoint, I’ve always voted that way ever since I’ve been in the Senate and felt that way.”
[Transcript of interview with Sean Hannity, FOX Hannity and Co, Fox News, May, 4 2007.]
What penalties for a woman who has an abortion has Huckabee advocated?
The pro-abortion activists seem to fear both Huckabee and Thompson, with good reason IMO.
Thompson has changed his mind on abortion, and not anywhere nearly as recently as Romney. However, he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade and let the states decide, while Huck wants a constitutional amendment to protect the unborn. While I think such an amendment would be the right thing to do, I don’t think it will happen soon.
The problem with Roe v. Wade is that it has been in force for so long that some now think it is a constitutional right. And I am afraid a President Huck would similarly play a part in institutionalizing amnesty and illegal immigration forever.
The real concern I have with Thompson is that he does not seem to realize how this country is suffering from Clinton’s and Bush’s trade policies, especially with China.
John Valentine wrote: “... I won’t answer your question. You are asking me whether I prefer hanging or the firing squad; or whether I’d prefer a painful but fast acting poison over a slower, but painless one.”
Actually I only said I’d be interested to know whether you’d agree with my opinion. If that qualifies as a question, your refusal to agree qualifies as an answer.
John Valentine wrote: “And you consider IOWAMARK brainwashed?”
Not necessarily. Things aren’t always as they seem.
Those quotations don’t directly contradict Senator Thompson’s past statements that he opposes laws prohibiting abortions. He says he’s personally pro-life, and he points to his “pro-life” votes in the Senate, and he says the federal government shouldn’t be interfering with the states on the issue, but I can’t find an explicit statement that he’d actually favor state laws prohibiting abortions. It always seems like he’s playing word games:
http://issues2000.org/2008/Fred_Thompson_Abortion.htm
Yeah, right. I'm sure that it is his pussy footing around the issue that earned him a 100% pro life voting record in the Senate and the endorsement of the National Right to Life organization as well as an impressive number of state right-to-life organizations backing him and more coming on. You are deliberately obfuscating and are no stranger to "word games" yourself.
John Valentine wrote: “You are deliberately obfuscating and are no stranger to ‘word games’ yourself.”
I’m not a big fan of Tucker Carlson, but I’ll post all three of these to demonstrate that I’m hardly the first person to raise the above concerns:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=F1tfGh3ITCc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTQxoXD-scw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H-b1xQNRA4g
Ultimately, the only difference between the two men is style. They’re the same confusing mess on issues. What they say and what they do are not necessarily the same. We can do better. Go, Fred. He’s the only true conservative with a chance to get the nomination. We must unite.
There’s no doubt Hunter is a great man but he’s not campaigning and he has no chance so it’s important we get united behind Fred. It’s to all our benefit.
This country has benefited from trading with China. Why do you think inflation and unemployment are low in spite of the rising fuel prices?
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