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Exactly how Reaganesque is Romney? [Mitt Romney is NOT a Republican]
Deseret News ^ | 12/25/07 | Me

Posted on 12/25/2007 5:33:32 PM PST by Mobile Vulgus

It never ceases to amaze me how a person who has decided to support a candidate all too often arrives at a point where FACTS are meaningless to them. Such is true with those who support this Romney character. There has been one example after another that proves that Mitt Romney isn't even a Republican much less a conservative and that he has repeatedly lied about his positions. Yet, well meaning Republicans still support this flip-flopping liar. Here is yet another article that shows that Mitt Romney is the single worse candidate the GOP field has today.

David Lightman of the McClatchy Newspaper chain asks this question: Exactly how Reaganesque is Romney? And the answer is a decided NOT AT ALL.

A few excerpts of this article:

"I take inspiration from the strength Ronald Reagan talked about," Romney said. "It was his view that the right way to overcome challenges was for the country to strengthen itself."

Yet Romney wasn't always such a Reagan fan.

In 1994, when he ran for the U.S. Senate in Massachusetts, he said, "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."

And...
Romney spent years in the state registered as "unenrolled," or unaffiliated with a political party, and in 1992 he voted for former Sen. Paul Tsongas, a liberal Democrat, in the Massachusetts Democratic presidential primary.
And...
Romney replied: "Look, I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush. My positions don't talk about the things you suggest they talk about. This isn't a political issue."
Romney has lied about being a hunter, he has lied about his not supporting the baby killers at Planned Parenthood, he even lied about his father marching with Martin Luther King, Jr. He led as Governor of Massachusetts as a center left executive yet now claims that he is a conservative.

Yet, all these flip-flops, all these lies and his supporters stick their fingers in their ears and scream "LA LA LA" at the top of their voices. So, here is the thing. Romney is not Reagan, he is far more like Clinton. Because during the first Clinton run lie after lie was revealed and his supporters simply refused to take stock of their man. They voted for him despite the lies, the rapes, all his past troubles were ignored.

Mitt Romney is Bill Clinton without the sex crimes.


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KEYWORDS: 2008; blowmemobilevulgus; bogusheadline; lookatmelookatme; mittromney; mythbuster; rinomittwitt; romney; vanitycrap
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
"Bottom line: I think Limbaugh likes Fred as a person and conservative candidate, but I sincerely believe Limbaugh sees what many others see: that Romney is the only one who can eventually pull all the segments of the GOP together next fall... to defeat the sHrillary Obacko machine."

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OK, I'm going to try this because I really have a sincere question for you. I do this with reluctance because I've found that Romney supporters aren't real good about answering straightforward questions, but here goes.

Why would Romney - who you would have to admit has drawn the antipathy of lots of conservatives for various positions he has taken - be able to "pull all the segments of the GOP together" better than Fred?

So far as I know, the only real rap on Fred is that he hasn't campaigned well. But IF he were to get the nomination, it seems to me that he'd have much more enthusiastic support of the conservative rank-and-file than would Romney. Just look at the polls on this site.

Why am I wrong?

Hank

181 posted on 12/25/2007 9:01:13 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
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To: Hoodat
"When Romney is the Republican nominee, will you vote for him in November? Or will you vote for Clinton istead? What say you head in the sand Romneyhaters?"

Go easy on yourself.....before any of the elections, consider getting the sharpest steak knife you can find and cut your throat.  You just might be doing the nation and future citizens a favor.... your narrowmindness helps nothing for the Conservatives.

182 posted on 12/25/2007 9:02:25 PM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Yeah it’s out of control . Romney is ( The Manchurian Candidate) the Dims gift that keeps on giving.
There now, fixed.
183 posted on 12/25/2007 9:03:07 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: Shamrock-DW
consider getting the sharpest steak knife you can find and cut your throat

Merry Christmas.

184 posted on 12/25/2007 9:07:47 PM PST by Hoodat (Ask Ted Kennedy his views on waterboarding.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

You are all confused Romney is a Republican if you want to say he is not a conservative to your liking that is fair but he is Republican even Rush and Mark Levin don’t disagree with that!

You start the fire and wonder why others have got their dander up!


185 posted on 12/25/2007 9:11:06 PM PST by restornu (Harry Reid is going to get Daschled! You're on your own, Harry!)
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To: claudiustg
"This is void of all common decency and borders on behavior of a social path!-—"

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And we MUST be alert to social paths at all times!

If we follow them, they'll take us down a blind alley following the Yellowbrick Road!

Hank

186 posted on 12/25/2007 9:11:09 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Well, really just plain Hank Kimball. Well, not "just plain" Hank Kimball, just Hank Kimball....)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Also there is only one Reagan and one of each of us and the Lord made different people to serve at different stages of History!

Some of you are so short sighted that you miss the bigger picture and needs of the times!


187 posted on 12/25/2007 9:14:54 PM PST by restornu (Harry Reid is going to get Daschled! You're on your own, Harry!)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Maybe you are asking the wrong “Romney supporters”. I’ll be happy to answer your questions.

I have no idea why Fred isn’t able to pull the conservatives together. I thought he would, which is why I supported him getting into the race, and sent him money.

At that time, he was rising in the polls, clearly because conservatives were warming to him and looking for something.

But once he got in the race, he became much less attractive to the republican base. I have no idea why, but he dropped from first to fourth.

Meanwhile, Romney has maintained a consistant, slow rise. And he had good numbers in the first primaries — Rudy was helped by lots of good support in liberal states.

If Fred could win the nomination, I think he would pull us together, but it’s hard to make that argument given that he hasn’t been able to do so up until now, even though he is “more conservative”.

With Romney, the issue is a fear. There are two fears — some think he is deceiving us with his conservative views, and some think he is too new to his conservatives views and might switch back.

Both of those are reasons to oppose him in the primary, or more accurately to choose a conservative-speaking candidate that you trust more, that is less risky to you.

However, if Romney wins the nomination, since he clearly SPEAKS a conservative message, conservatives would be foolish to vote AGAINST that conservative message simply because they are afraid he’ll govern like a liberal.

After all, we KNOW his opponent will govern like a liberal. Better to elect the guy who says he’s on your side, and then scream about being deceived if he turns on you, than vote against a guy who is hitting all the right notes on conservatism (because you don’t “trust” him), and hand the election to a real liberal while proving to the general public that people voicing the conservative message can’t be elected.

That is why I think Romney is much more electable than his primary numbers would suggest.


188 posted on 12/25/2007 9:16:54 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Fred and Duncan are not usually featured in polls or the news.
Most people have not heard of Duncan Hunter (sadly).

The following charts are polls over many months for Massachusetts.

Romney's home state BUT Romney is dropping like a rock.

One spot poll is here, but polls are GIGO.


189 posted on 12/25/2007 9:17:17 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Shamrock-DW

Yes, because if everybody who doesn’t support your candidate would just commit suicide, your candidate might win the nomination.

Of course, with all the other conservatives being dead, and since conservatives don’t VOTE when they are dead like liberals do, your candidate will lose the general election.

But at least you won’t have to put up with republicans and conservatives who disagree with you anymore, since they will all be dead.


190 posted on 12/25/2007 9:18:31 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TheLion

Projecting again?
Most of my posts have been quotes and graphs.
They show hypocrisy and a weak position which you
could rebut, if you could.


191 posted on 12/25/2007 9:20:32 PM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

-—And we MUST be alert to social paths at all times!-—

I was quoting another freeper, who I am sure meant sociopaths.

But to your earlier question:

-—So far as I know, the only real rap on Fred is that he hasn’t campaigned well. But IF he were to get the nomination, it seems to me that he’d have much more enthusiastic support of the conservative rank-and-file than would Romney. Just look at the polls on this site.

Why am I wrong?-—

The polls outside of FR don’t match the one’ inside. Fred is running about 4th in Iowa. If he had no opposition then maybe he could win and unite us and we’d all live happily ever after.

Fortunately his supporters outside of FR can’t shout down the opposition and can’t disrupt every one of the opposing candidate’s rallies the way our local brown shirts can with every Romney thread.


192 posted on 12/25/2007 9:22:58 PM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Rules don’t matter if you are attacking Mitt Romney. Nothing matters if you can attack Mitt Romney — rules, using actual quotes, the facts, nothing.

This is really dishearting of Free Republic because one thing one should be able to count on is fair play!

Put your trust in the Lord that good will will out!

193 posted on 12/25/2007 9:23:23 PM PST by restornu (Harry Reid is going to get Daschled! You're on your own, Harry!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Please. He said he had the endorsement of the NRA. He did not.


194 posted on 12/25/2007 9:24:12 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 47% negatives)
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To: Diogenesis

If you would honestly read this information, you might find a reason to support.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~unmarkedpackage/


195 posted on 12/25/2007 9:24:34 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion

Did you mean:

Your posts are pretty, sick fellow.

or:

Your posts are pretty sick, fellow.

If the latter, why?


196 posted on 12/25/2007 9:26:15 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 47% negatives)
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To: Petronski

You can’t read?


197 posted on 12/25/2007 9:28:37 PM PST by TheLion
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To: dmw

That was not obviously what I meant. Only Hunter and Fred are anything resembling conservatives. My point is that we are stuck with the lot and have to pick one to beat the beast.

So, the choice is among:
1) The sleepy Fred
2) The no chance-in-hell Hunter
3) Looney Huck
4) Painful McPain
5) Uber Liberal Rudy
6) Kind-of-Reasonable Mitt

There you have it....


198 posted on 12/25/2007 9:29:04 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: claudiustg; Jim Robinson
Fortunately his supporters outside of FR can’t shout down the opposition and can’t disrupt every one of the opposing candidate’s rallies the way our local brown shirts can with every Romney thread.

If you're going to resort to this level of personal abuse, by all means, have the courage to name names.

199 posted on 12/25/2007 9:30:01 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 47% negatives)
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To: TheLion

I can read fine. Your English is suboptimal, however, and so your meaning is unclear.


200 posted on 12/25/2007 9:31:05 PM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 47% negatives)
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