A Few Good Men is one of my favorite movies. I never even wondered who made it or what they thought about life. Movies aren't that important. I've never even seen a promo of West Wing. I don't watch any MSM.
... that explains why you "never would have guessed he was a lefty".
Implicit in that statement is the acknowledgment that I wouldn't have seen any evidence of Sorkin's leftist leanings in the interviews on THCs documentary.
They simply rewrite history by giving all the credit to Charlie Wilson, whose real part was being used to get the congressional funding for covert ops in Afghanistan.
That is your characterization of it. I saw plenty to show that he was the major mover of aiding the Mujahadeen effort. Including the enthusiastic praise of Joanne Herrings, the other woman who helped him shmooz the right people and one of his CIA buddies. I didn't see anybody faking their admiration and gratitude to Charlie Wilson and those were just some of the people that were helping him. Those old Afghans weren't faking their respect and gratitude either. Those old guys never faked anything in their lives.
It's a movie, based on a book written about one person's unique life and highly successful personal mission to help the Afghans. That was his little gig in the Cold War. And his wild life. It's just sour grapes to complain that they didn't work Ronald Reagan into the 90 minutes of film.
The rest of your post is really a little condescending. I have read every post up until this one of yours. Every word. Including your personal drama theory.
There is no doubt that everyone involved in the movie and the documentary are Hollywood lefty types although I don't know if they're really the far-lefty hardcore types. But I am aware of spin when I see it. I can see very well what is substantive and what isn't and there is no doubt in my mind that CW carried the water on Afghanistan and deserves the credit and praise he's getting. The people that helped him and the people he was trying to help think so. They didn't exactly hide any warts on THC. Or at least they showed plenty.
I just don't see the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy here that you do.
Then there is not much to discuss, because the thread is about the movie, and yet you directed 3 posts to me regarding the movie before I responded. Apparently, this movie was important enough to get the editorial comment in IBD, which usually doesn't comment on movies, except on a "business" side of Hollywood it did notice the big box-office failure of recent political flops. Which is why I posted it.
I've never even seen a promo of West Wing. I don't watch any MSM.
I never saw it "live", on "regular" TV, for the same reason. I did watch reruns on A&E cable channel, few years after live run, including "marathons", which may have helped to see and be amazed at shallow, condescending treatment of its audience, as well as huge inconsistencies in both the story lines which is less important, if at all. Let's just say the show "knew" and was tailored to its intended [shallow] audience.
Implicit in that statement is the acknowledgment that I wouldn't have seen any evidence of Sorkin's leftist leanings in the interviews on THCs documentary.
No, it's not, but it's starting to get personal, petty and off the topic.
That is your characterization of it.
Of course, what I was describing was my opinion, so it was my characterization, if you will. Most of our posts here are opinions, unless we specify or imply that we state the facts.
I saw plenty to show that he was the major mover of aiding the Mujahadeen effort. .... I didn't see anybody faking their admiration and gratitude to Charlie Wilson and those were just some of the people that were helping him. Those old Afghans weren't faking their respect and gratitude either. Those old guys never faked anything in their lives.
Of course, that's exactly what they wanted you to see and why I said that I was disappointed with this "infomercial" on THC - it looked more like promotion of the movie and Charlie Wilson by Wilson and Sorkin than real history of Afghanistan's operation - that's what "promotion" is supposed to be about, and that's what I said it looked like. All "infomercials" are like that. We don't disagree here.
That was his little gig in the Cold War. And his wild life. It's just sour grapes to complain that they didn't work Ronald Reagan into the 90 minutes of film.
See post #82. That's not how it's billed, advertised, promoted, implied or was even originally slated to be in the movie, not as little gig. But we'll chalk it up to my great imagination.
The rest of your post is really a little condescending. I have read every post up until this one of yours. Every word. Including your personal drama theory.
It was not condescending at all, and was not meant to be. I didn't know if you read the THC thread as well, which goes in more detail about THC program and the "making" of the movie which didn't get covered much in this thread. It's exactly the same post I have expressed several times with others and nobody else found it condescending. maybe they just didn't bother to respond. But that's your characterization, so sorry if I offended you.
But I am aware of spin when I see it. I can see very well what is substantive and what isn't...
Good for you, but most / average moviegoers aren't and can't - this movie is directed at them. To them this, and this alone will be The History of "How the Soviets Lost in Afghanistan and Who Brought Down the Soviet Empire". But I have a great imagination.
They didn't exactly hide any warts on THC. Or at least they showed plenty.
Of course, again we agree. They don't want to lie and make Charlie into a saint, it would not fly and besides, after Bill Clinton's escapades in the White House, what is better than to give [my quote from the post] "... most of the credit for success in Afghanistan and fall of the Soviet Empire to one of their own "flawed, boozing, snorting, southern" (D-TX)." That's exactly what's shown in the movie, THC, and exactly how it's advertised.
I just don't see the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy here that you do.
Well, I guess, I could complain that it's your [condescending] [and direct] characterization of me (unlike which I never made about you), but that would be petty and off topic, so I won't. I don't believe so much in Vast Left Wing as "Conspiracy" as much as it is a "Way of Life". And they are pretty good at living it, too. That's why "they" admire Bill Clinton so much, he was such a good salesman of it.
But movies - good, bad, incomplete or misleading - are not that important to argue about and screw up relationships.
Regards.