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1 posted on 12/24/2007 5:35:08 AM PST by Invisigoth
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To: Invisigoth

Amen!

However, I would quibble even with the fact that Christmas was EVER about the birth of Christ. There is no evidence Jesus was born December 25th. The best available evidence is that he was born in the Fall, not in the Winter near the Solstice.

For Christians, Easter is the truly sacred holiday. So if Christmas becomes secularized, it’s not a big deal. Dobson needs to find more important causes to worry about.


2 posted on 12/24/2007 5:46:52 AM PST by DodoDreamer
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To: Invisigoth

Anything from Dobson’s mouth (or pen) should be taken with a grain of salt and a dose of Alka Seltzer.


3 posted on 12/24/2007 5:46:55 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Invisigoth
More nonsensical posturing from the usual collection of pseudo intellectuals who confusing relentless sniping at their own side for critical thinking.

For decades there has been a relentless drive to secularize this society at all levels in all ways. Atheism or Secularism is merely a different form of religious believe. It is every bit as aggressive at pushing it's dogmas as they accuse the religious Conservatives of being.

For decades now the secularists have been waging relentless war on the Christian values and traditions of this society. Now some people are finally fighting back so, of course, the pseudo intellectual in the Conservative movement, as usual, rush to frag their own political allies rather then take on the secular aggressors.

Be really nice if the pseudo intellectual among the Conservative movement tried occasional attacking the Left on anything instead of relentlessly manufacturing really stupid reasons to yet again whine hysterically at their own side.

4 posted on 12/24/2007 5:57:58 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Hillary Clinton has never done one thing right. She thinks that qualifies her to be President?)
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To: Invisigoth
Good Read. Explains why some of us won't fight this war.

Happy Holidays and a Merry Christmas!

5 posted on 12/24/2007 5:58:03 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Invisigoth

What kind of east-coast, secular-worshiping, politically-correct, thumb-sucking, bed-wetting, frilly-girly-pants-wearing, socialist-worshiping tripe is this.

So who here thinks business is a sin, sounds like a hillary sound bite to me.

I’ll grant that Christmas has not been a particularly spiritual holliday in this country, but the reason to fight is that the same people that want to take Christ out of Christmas are the same that want to reeducate our children, take our guns, lose in Iraq, tax us into submission, and at the same time build prayer rooms for the ROP.

Think of Dobson what you will, but he is on the right side.


9 posted on 12/24/2007 6:08:10 AM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Invisigoth

If Dan Calabrese is against, then I’m for it. There really is an effort to stamp out “Christmas” because it is the biggest holiday of the year. It doesn’t matter that it was not the date Christ was born. It is the date that Christians have decided to celebrate Christ’s birthday. If it were not, it would not be a holiday at all. Secularists are horrified at the success of Christmas in trumping the importance of Christ’s birth and want to stamp out the source of its meaning. The good news is that the leftists are losing the war on Christmas and that’s why Dan Calabrese is crying like a little baby who has soild his diaper.


12 posted on 12/24/2007 6:20:20 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: Invisigoth
"Jesus Christ overturned the moneychangers’ tables and excoriated them for turning God’s house into a den of thieves."

If they were playing Bingo! in that Temple, Jesus probably wouldn't want to get a bunch of women worked up at Him. And that Temple would still be in operation today, because nobody would bother those women.

14 posted on 12/24/2007 6:25:42 AM PST by BobS (Did Santa just say haha, HO ?!)
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To: Invisigoth

Our ancestors were not always Christian.There were people in Europe who were there before Christianity spread across Europe. These folks were pagans. A tip of the hat to our pagan ancestors implies no disrespect for Christianity.

I have no problem with Christmas trees or the Easter Bunny. They are extras to be enjoyed and not “anti” anything.


19 posted on 12/24/2007 6:32:03 AM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Invisigoth

I have never in my life had someone tell me that I couldn’t say “Merry Christmas.”


20 posted on 12/24/2007 6:33:08 AM PST by Michael A. Velli (Mitt Romney in '08 -- smart, energetic, conservative)
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“Purported”? The war on Christmas is quite real.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1943786/posts


22 posted on 12/24/2007 6:54:16 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Invisigoth
This is a great example of smooth satanic rhetoric. The truth is the secular crowd can’t allow those who treasure Christmas to say Merry Christmas nor can they allow us to join together and express our feelings. As all socialistic movements, they realize that those who follow a religion can not be controlled. To these people only non Christian religious concerns count, right? That’s because Christianity is the big one. If these people can destroy us they will have clear sailing toward gray soulless socialism thereafter.
A very blessed and Merry Christmas to all who keep Christmas in their hearts.
24 posted on 12/24/2007 7:23:48 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: Invisigoth
The war on Christmas followed the war on our schools. Liberals took freedom of religion and turned it around back-words to make it freedom from religion. And now no one’s child hears anything about God or Jesus in the schools.

Where else do children who’s parents don’t take them to church learn about God and Jesus? Our holiday’s like Christmas.

The liberals are going after Christmas now. They’re trying to take every mention of Christ out of Christmas. Next it will be Easter.

It’s not enough that they teach their children to be good little socialist’s. They want to indoctrinate as many children as they can.

27 posted on 12/24/2007 8:04:09 AM PST by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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I’m a Dobson fan. BMFLR.

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35 posted on 12/24/2007 9:54:40 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Invisigoth
Dobson is right on this one.

"Happy Holidays" etc is foolishness, a surrender to the secularization of society.

If you want to be inclusive, wish Christians Merry Christmas and Jews Happy Chanukah.

36 posted on 12/24/2007 10:13:55 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: Invisigoth

From the first sentence of this article, the author expounds upon a premise that he does not prove.

Just one big slur against FOTF, James Dobson, and the real work they have done to help families in the last thirty years.

And that Jim Dobson, he’s just full of scandal, you know,getting rich off of buttons and some such.

I know one author I will not be wasting my time on in the future.

As for Jim Dobson, he’s welcome—anytime.


50 posted on 12/24/2007 6:08:25 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: Invisigoth
Here is an email I received:

Christmas Letter from Jesus > ============================ > Dear Children, > > It has come to my attention that many you are upset that folks > are taking My name out of the season.
Maybe you've forgotten > that I wasn't actually born during this time of the year and > that it was some of your predecessors who decided to celebrate > My birthday on what was actually a time of pagan festival. > Although I do appreciate being remembered anytime.

> > How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be > most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed > with children of your own.
> > I don't care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate > My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

> > Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the > town in which you live doesn't allow a scene depicting My > birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santa's and snowmen > and put in a small Nativity scene on your own front lawn.
If > all My followers did that there wouldn't be any need for such > a scene on the town square because there would be many of them > all around town.

> > Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree > a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made > all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. > Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that > one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and > what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, > look up John 15: 1 - 8.

> > If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth > here is my wish list. Choose something from it:

> > 1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My > birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope > to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and > lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
> > 2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don't have to know > them personally. They just need to know that someone cares > about them.
> > 3. Instead of writing George complaining about the wording on > the cards his staff sent out this year, why don't you write > and tell him that you'll be praying for him and his family > this year. Then follow up. It will be nice hearing from you > again.
> > 4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can't > afford and they don't need, spend time with them. Tell them > the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down > here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love > them.
> > 5. Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him > or her.
> > 6. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take > their own life this season because they feel so alone and > hopeless? Since you don't know who that person is, try giving > everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
> > 7. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town > calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. > Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren't > allowed to wish you a "Merry Christmas" that doesn't keep you > from wishing them one.
Then stop shopping there on Sunday. > If the store didn't make so much money on that day they'd > close and let their employees spend the day at home with their > families.
> > 8. If you really want to make a difference, support a > missionary - especially one who takes My love and Good News to > those who have never heard My name.
> > 9. Here's a good one. There are individuals and whole > families in your town who not only will have no "Christmas" > tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or > receive. If you don't know them, buy some food and a few > gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other > charity which believes in Me and they will make the delivery > for you.
> > 10. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief > in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don't do > things in secret that you wouldn't do in My presence. Let > people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
> > Don't forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love > Me and do what I have told you to do. I'll take care of all > the rest.
> > Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I'll > help you, but the ball is now in your court. And do have a > most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love and > remember:

> I LOVE YOU, JESUS
> > ~Earthly Author Unknown~ >

58 posted on 12/25/2007 6:09:55 AM PST by SweetCaroline (***Your own healing is the Greatest Message of Hope to others!***)
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