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Arizona crackdown driving out illegal immigrants
Associated Press ^ | AMANDA LEE MYERS

Posted on 12/22/2007 10:07:48 AM PST by Dubya

PHOENIX — Illegal immigrants in Arizona, frustrated with a flagging economy and tough new legislation cracking down on their employers, are returning to their home countries or trying their luck in other states.

For months, immigrants have taken a wait-and-see attitude toward the state's new employer-sanctions law, which takes effect Jan. 1. The voter-approved legislation is an attempt to lessen the economic incentive for illegal immigrants in Arizona, the busiest crossing point along the U.S.-Mexico border.

And by all appearances, it's starting to work.

"People are calling me telling me about their friend, their cousin, their neighbors — they're moving back to Mexico," said Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

Martin Herrera, a 40-year-old illegal immigrant and masonry worker who lives in Camp Verde, 70 miles north of Phoenix, said he is planning to return to Mexico as soon as he ties up loose ends after living here for four years.

"I don't want to live here because of the new law and the oppressive environment," he said. "I'll be better in my country."

He called the employer-sanctions law "absurd."

"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

There's no way to know how many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona, especially now with many returning home for normal holidays visits. But economists, immigration lawyers and people who work in the immigrant community agree it's happening.

State Rep. Russell Pearce of Mesa, the author of the employer sanctions law, said his intent was to drive illegal immigrants out of Arizona.

"I'm hoping they will self-deport," Pearce said. "They broke the law. They're criminals."

Under the employer sanctions law, businesses found to have knowingly hired illegal workers will be subject to sanctions from probation to a 10-day suspension of their business licenses. A second violation would bring permanent revocation of the license.

Nancy-Jo Merritt, an immigration lawyer who primarily represents employers, said her clients already have started to fire workers who can't prove they are in the country legally.

"Workers are being fired, of course," she said. "Nobody wants to find out later on that they've got somebody working for them who's not here legally."

When immigrants don't have jobs, they don't stick around, said Dawn McLaren, a research economist at Arizona State University who specializes in illegal immigration.

She said the flagging economy, particularly in the construction industry, also is contributing to an immigrant exodus.

"As the jobs dwindle and the environment becomes more unpleasant in more ways than one, you then decide what to do, and perhaps leaving looks like a good idea," she said. "And certainly that creates a problem, because as people leave, they take the jobs they created with them."

Pearce disagreed that the Arizona economy will suffer after illegal immigrants leave, saying there will be less crime, lower taxes, less congestion, smaller classroom sizes and shorter lines in emergency rooms.

"We have a free market. It'll adjust," he said. "Americans will be much better off."

He said he's not surprised illegal immigrants are leaving the state and predicts that more will go once the employer-sanctions law takes effect next month.

"It's attrition by enforcement," he said. "As you make this an unfriendly state for lawbreakers, I'm hoping they will pick up and leave."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; enforcement; fightingback; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist
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To: Dubya
This is what Fred advocates - just APPLY the Laws! It'll work better that anything else: those here are already packing and others wont bother to come - if all the states start applying the law.

looks like it's working better and faster that anticipated~

I hope his campaign people run with this -

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81 posted on 12/22/2007 2:11:40 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: DesScorp
Of course, Bill O’Reilly tells us we can’t send them home...

This doesn't send them home - it convinces them to go of their own accord - and they won't just turn around and come back tomorrow.

All you johny-one-notes of the BORDERBODERBORDERBORDER mantra should be jumping for joy. You get rid of a lot more people by giving them the incentive - even if forced - to leave on their own - and/or, not to come in the first place.

The best of all worlds...

82 posted on 12/22/2007 2:17:25 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Dubya
"Everybody here, legally or illegally, we are part of a motor that makes this country run," Herrera said. "Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

Baloney. The departure of the illegals will open jobs for unemployed citizens and reduce the drag on taxpayer funded social services, schools, medical facilities and law enforcement. Our nation was doing just fine before the illegal alien invasion. We'll do better as they go away.

83 posted on 12/22/2007 2:31:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: DoughtyOne
The U.S. immigration policies prior to 1964 were based on merit. There was a careful screening process. Immigrants had to find jobs and were assigned a sponsor in the U.S. to shepherd them along the process to citizenship. That policy attracted the best and brightest immigrants to our country. Those immigrants were indeed an asset. The picture changed when the merit system was dumped. Edward "Swimmer" Kennedy pushed through the changes that eliminated the merit system and opened the door to uncontrolled immigration from 3rd world countries. Read the details of the Hart-Celler Act here. Kennedy "promised" that the changes wouldn't cause our cities to be overrun with foreign immigrants. As usual, Kennedy was lying. That's what he always does.
84 posted on 12/22/2007 2:45:15 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Niteflyr
Whenever I hear someone trying to make the case that they are "indispensable", I recommend taking the swimming pool test. It's simple. Enter the swimming pool and swim to the deep end. Find the ladder and climb out. If there is a cavity left in the water, you are indispensable.
85 posted on 12/22/2007 2:48:03 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Dubya
Magdalena Schwartz, an immigrant-rights activist and pastor at a Mesa church. "They don't want to live in fear, in terror."

Neither do US Citizens.

86 posted on 12/22/2007 2:49:21 PM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
Well, bye.

...... and that was Curly Bill Brocius wishing you a happy life in Mexico and GTFODodge best wishes.

87 posted on 12/22/2007 2:52:40 PM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; ECM
I think we should all pitch in to help buy them bus tickets to Massachusetts.

I'd much rather bus tens of thousands of them to squat on Bush's ranch in Texas. See how he likes it.

88 posted on 12/22/2007 2:54:03 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Dubya
....many are returning to their home countries

Yep, see how easy it is? Cracking down hard on illegal-hiring employers gives them little incentive to stay. Combine that with eliminating their welfare freebies and rescinding the anchor baby laws and then there'd be no incentive for them to stay.

89 posted on 12/22/2007 2:54:31 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Centurion2000

I was wondering if anyone would catch that “)


90 posted on 12/22/2007 2:55:05 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Smell that, Bill? Smells like someone died ...


91 posted on 12/22/2007 3:15:43 PM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
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To: Myrddin
Whenever I hear someone trying to make the case that they are "indispensable", I recommend taking the swimming pool test. It's simple. Enter the swimming pool and swim to the deep end. Find the ladder and climb out. If there is a cavity left in the water, you are indispensable.

how coincidental...I was thinking of almost that exact analogy when I wrote that...(actually the "hand in and out of a bucket of water" one )...:o)

92 posted on 12/22/2007 3:16:42 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: Centurion2000

LOL - yep

Why, Johnny Ringo, you look like someone walked all over your grave.


93 posted on 12/22/2007 3:21:01 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow - POI)
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To: Dubya

bump


94 posted on 12/22/2007 3:32:44 PM PST by VOA
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To: Myrddin
The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster
95 posted on 12/22/2007 3:39:40 PM PST by kabar
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To: All
Truth is the problem is far worse than anyone knows.

The true number of illegals according to James H. Walsh in his book "The Social Contract" is far closer to 38 million than it is to 12 million.

Walsh is a former Federal prosecutor and US/German Marshall Fund Scholar on Immigration.

He has a complex formula that documents 36 million illegals here plus 2 million visa overstays giving a total of 38 million.

Bearing that in mind the tactics used in Arizona need to be implemented everywhere in the U.S. ASAP.

96 posted on 12/22/2007 4:48:48 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: kabar
I wonder if fat Tim will be broaching the illegal immigration topic on MTP tomorrow?
97 posted on 12/22/2007 4:55:28 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Dubya
"Once we leave, the motor is going to start to slow down."

Um, no. This is a capitalist nation and it works.

See-ya, and don't let the border hit you in the ass on your way out.

98 posted on 12/22/2007 5:06:10 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: MaxMax
Doesn’t anybody have any regard for the law of the land anymore?
99 posted on 12/22/2007 5:10:59 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: BobS

The original Arizona Repulic article which this AP is drawn from (and cant be posted on FR), show a lot of these folks in brand new Ford F150s and Minivans filled with all the possession they bought here....taking them back to Mexico. I asked my friend, now how much do you want to bet those cars arent paid off?

The Arizona law forces employers to check the Federal hotline for social security number fraud....and they are catching a large number of forgeries, etc. If the companies fail to comply, they lose their business licenses and the owners can go to jail.


100 posted on 12/22/2007 5:14:49 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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