[PugetSoundSoldier]

Then I suppose you support eliminating all relations with Israel - remember Jonathan Pollard?

Or how about the entire EU blowing open and investigating our spying on banking transactions inside the EU. I guess we should cut off all relations with the EU, too?

You think our allies don't spy on us? You think we don't spy on our allies? In this case, we caught the Chinese, and didn't acknowledge it until well past we'd exploited the find. I can assure you of that...

Look, if you want to cut China out of being an "enemy" of the US, then change them. The best way to change societies is economically. It's been proven since the time of Rome - economic prosperity will create peace, and ease tensions.

DUncan Hunter is simply an isolationist who doesn't recognize history, and he's completely wrong on trade. Trade barriers weaken relations between countries, and increase tensions and escalate hostilities. Increase the economy, and the need to compete militarily goes away. 2500 years of history shows it to be so. Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it...

Trade is the single most effective means of growing our own economy and power (for ultimately military power derives soley from economic power), and for assuaging tensions and fears worldwide. People don't fight when they're fed and comfortable.

When other countries use subsidies to prop up their companies, it's the ultimate sign of surrender; like the EU propping up Airbus. In the short term, it does hurt Boeing a bit, but Boeing's used to the competition and is surviving quite well. In the long term, the inefficiency of Airbus will become such a drag on the EU they will either have to close it down completely, or wean Airbus off the subsidies which - much like pensions and benefits at GM - will be extremely traumatic and cause Airbus to fall further behind.

A country using tariffs to "skew" trade is saying that it can't compete - it's second rate. Take that as a compliment and compete harder. They can't keep it up. We broke the USSR economically - President Reagan recognized that. We are breaking the EU with the undervaluing of the dollar (yes, undervalued - it's being manipulated on purpose and is artificially surpressed) since they got uppity about trade. Ultimately the EU will collapse and leave us in an even stronger position... We can compete now, imagine when they fall apart.

Anyway, I await you to cry for elimination of trade relations with Israel and the EU, since they also are spying and counter-spying on our intelligence networks...

[Paul Ross]

The best way to change societies is economically.

And you certainly aren't doing it right. Constantine Menges explained that in detail. But he must be ignored by you, since you would have to change your mind about things if you were a legitimate rational debater here.

We need to put full-bore anti-communists, such as Dr. Constantine Menges, back in charge.

We can make this work. The only way for reform...is regime change. Which we proved we can do with the Soviet Union. And we did it in basically 8 and a half years.

Your strategy of constant-cave-in and and economic sell-out has proven that you can't. You have had this policy in place for basically 16 years. And the menace grows daily. You have failed. And are a failure if you are serious about "reforming" China.

We anti-communists can get it done... and the RINOs and shills scream every time that a real anti-communist gets close to an opportunity to implement truly anticommunist foreign policy.

That is the problem. You are corrupt. You even admit it. Your livelihood depends on continuing to be relocated in China, and sell to the U.S., thereby to undermine the U.S. manufacturing and increase its trade debt, and bolster China's manufacturing and trade surplus. Hence your lame, and inaccurate attacks on Hunter as one illustration of your shrillness.

It's been proven since the time of Rome - economic prosperity will create peace, and ease tensions.

What a naive and hopelessly incomplete understanding of history. Which clearly you fail to grasp any of. Japan for example was quite prosperous before they launched their attack on China or Pearl Harbor.

How many contradictions of your thesis does it take for you to comprehend that no amount of Chicom prosperity is going to end their enmity? Or deviate from their plan to use their loot to subvert, weaken and ultimately destroy us and our liberties?

The Chicoms are ideological despots who laugh every time you think you control "your" wholly-owned factory in China.

Or a President, or Commerce Secretary or Treasury Secretary bleats the standard refrain about their being "stakesholders" in the international trading system: "Tell your President that is not the relationship we have."

And the chilling outline of their doctrine of covert war preparation: "It matters not whether you call the cat yellow or black, but whether it catches mice."

The mice in his quote, referring to a war story by one of his most popular communist generals...was victories in the field. And he was broadening it to also mean capture of industry and technology to bolster that military strength. That is what Deng Xiaoping meant, as confirmed by Chinese scholars.

Duncan Hunter is simply an isolationist who doesn't recognize history, and he's completely wrong on trade.

I could say that you are simply a shill. Your arguments cannot be distinguished from one. Your facile "relativism" ...equating the trade espionage of France and Britain say...with the deeply sinister conduct of the Chicoms to steal extremely critical and vital defense info, encryption, codes, and technology and disinform our intel branches...is simply beyond the pale.

It needs to be pointed out that neither France (no matter our rivalry) or Britain...has been threatening to nuke the USA. The Chicoms do...and repeatedly.

If you were on the level, you would have to revisit the treason tag you admit has been widely pinned on you. Your soft-headed notion that you are 'reforming' China in the right way, by letting things go precisely as the Chicoms dictate...is devoid of merit. Your love for China is also clearly at odds with your love for America, no matter your denials when you are busted on it, as one of our greatest Presidents observed:

The man who loves other countries as much as his own stands on a level with the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own wife.
--Theodore Roosevelt

As for Duncan Hunter, I have studied him at great length and find he is no way an "isolationist." He is quite the contrary...A Nationalist who wishes to defend OUR INTERESTS on the global stage. This makes him a distinct contrast from the CFR Globalists who think they have a monopoly on internationalism. And it is also clear that his understanding of our foes, and how industrial transfers relate to our relative defense preparedness and economics transcends yours or the Chicom apologist lobby.