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Romney Questioned about Statements
New York Times Politics Blog ^ | December 20, 2007, 3:46 pm | Michael Luo

Posted on 12/20/2007 3:38:02 PM PST by pepperhead

FORT DODGE, Iowa — Mitt Romney found himself deluged by questions from reporters after a campaign appearance Thursday about whether he actually saw his father march with Martin Luther King Jr., as he claimed in a speech on his Mormon faith earlier this month.

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KEYWORDS: 2008; election; elections; king; mitt; romney
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The money quote.

Mr. Romney said today that he had been using the word “saw” in a “figurative sense.”

“If you look at the literature, if you look at the dictionary, the term ‘saw’ includes being aware of in the sense I’ve described,” he said. “It’s a figure of speech and very familiar and it’s very common and I saw my dad march with Martin Luther King. I did not see it with my own eyes but I saw him in the sense of being aware of his participation in that great effort.”

1 posted on 12/20/2007 3:38:03 PM PST by pepperhead
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To: pepperhead

This sounds like Clinton speak.


2 posted on 12/20/2007 3:40:34 PM PST by duckman (I refuse to use a tag line...I mean it.)
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To: pepperhead
I saw this.

It was pretty "Clintonian."

3 posted on 12/20/2007 3:40:34 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: pepperhead

I see the media has gotten carried away yet again.

OK, I did not actually see it, but I see what you are talking about.


4 posted on 12/20/2007 3:40:47 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: pepperhead

“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is. If the–if he–if ‘is’ means is and never has been, that is not–that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement….Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true.”


5 posted on 12/20/2007 3:41:43 PM PST by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: duckman

Kind of depends on what the definition of “is” is...


6 posted on 12/20/2007 3:43:28 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: duckman
Mitt "saw" his father with special glasses.

Unfortunately he has since misplaced the glasses and can no longer "see" things as clearly.

7 posted on 12/20/2007 3:43:43 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: pepperhead
Jim Geraghty at the Campaign Spot has PROOF of Governor Romney Srs marches during the civil rights era.

It DID happen, Mitt Romney just did not SEE it in the sense he was THERE.

In 1963, George Romney Gave The Keynote Address At The Conference That Sparked The Martin Luther King "Freedom Marches" In Detroit. "The establishment of these human relations groups came in the wake of several major events (besides the embarrassing racist practices of such suburbs as Dearborn), which took place in 1963 and helped galvanize interracial support and cooperation for integrated housing. The first event was the Metropolitan Conference on Open Occupancy held in Detroit in January 1963. The second event was the Martin Luther King 'Freedom' March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference, in which he pledged to use the power of the state to achieve housing equality in Michigan." (Joe T. Darden, Detroit, Race And Uneven Development, 1987, p. 132)
8 posted on 12/20/2007 3:43:59 PM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: pepperhead
I am supporting Hunter and then Thompson for the GOP nomination...but I think this is a stretch.

My question would simply be, "Did Romney's Dad march with King?"

Now mind you, that would not be a badge of honor from my perspective. King was a marxist sympathiser and womaniser who happened to be a good orator.

Just the same, asking whether the young Romney was actually there and parsing his words like this is pretty lame to me. If his Dad did march with King, then as a youth, his use of thew word "saw" could easily be understandable in the context of having been around at the time when his Dad did this...even if he wasn't personally at the march.

But that's just my opinion.

I differ with Mitt on his historical record on issues that are too critical to trust to what is essentially a "Johnny come lately"...except if it came down to a vote for him or Hillary or something like that.

9 posted on 12/20/2007 3:44:26 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: pepperhead
I am supporting Hunter and then Thompson for the GOP nomination...but I think this is a stretch.

My question would simply be, "Did Romney's Dad march with King?"

Now mind you, that would not be a badge of honor from my perspective. King was a marxist sympathiser and womaniser who happened to be a good orator.

Just the same, asking whether the young Romney was actually there and parsing his words like this is pretty lame to me. If his Dad did march with King, then as a youth, his use of thew word "saw" could easily be understandable in the context of having been around at the time when his Dad did this...even if he wasn't personally at the march.

But that's just my opinion.

I differ with Mitt on his historical record on issues that are too critical to trust to what is essentially a "Johnny come lately"...except if it came down to a vote for him or Hillary or something like that.

10 posted on 12/20/2007 3:44:27 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: duckman

Yes indeed, very Clintonian.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 3:44:40 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: pepperhead

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmEyOTMzNWQzOTNmZDhlNThjMjUyOWZkODZlNGE5NTM=


12 posted on 12/20/2007 3:44:52 PM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Paloma_55

They had it on Fox earlier. Someone could make a very devastating commercial against him with this.


13 posted on 12/20/2007 3:45:22 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Jeff Head
In Their 1967 Book, Stephen Hess And David Broder Wrote That George Romney "Marched With Martin Luther King Through The Exclusive Grosse Point Suburb Of Detroit." "He has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit and he is on record in support of full-coverage Federal open-housing legislation." (Stephen Hess And David Broder, The Republican Establishment: The Present And Future Of The G.O.P., 1967, p. 107)
14 posted on 12/20/2007 3:46:29 PM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: pepperhead
They had it on Fox earlier

A commercial against Fox for sloppy reporting.

Governor George Romney did march with Martin Luther King, Jr as well as many other civil right marches in the 1960s.

See my posts on this thread for just a few marches and the CONTEMPORARY sources which prove to be much better than Fox News.
15 posted on 12/20/2007 3:48:47 PM PST by elizabetty ("Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." .Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: pepperhead

Perhaps he is using the word “see” as if it were a mystical experience, as in the first chapter of Revelation. But I rather doubt it.

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;


16 posted on 12/20/2007 3:49:06 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: elizabetty
...and so I revert to my statement:

Just the same, asking whether the young Romney was actually there and parsing his words like this is pretty lame to me. If his Dad did march with King, then as a youth, his use of thew word "saw" could easily be understandable in the context of having been around at the time when his Dad did this...even if he wasn't personally at the march.

But that's just my opinion.

I differ with Mitt on his historical record on issues that are too critical to trust to what is essentially a "Johnny come lately"...except if it came down to a vote for him or Hillary or something like that.

17 posted on 12/20/2007 3:49:26 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Reagan Man
Yes indeed, very Clintonian

Exactly it reminds me of the whole is is situation.

18 posted on 12/20/2007 3:50:31 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: elizabetty
The second event was the Martin Luther King 'Freedom' March in June of the same year, the spinoffs of which were several Detroit NAACP-sponsored interracial marches into Detroit suburbs to dramatize the need for black housing. … Governor George Romney gave the keynote speech at this conference...

Was King there? Did Romney and King march together? The papers say no.

19 posted on 12/20/2007 3:50:45 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal superfecta: huckabee, romney, giuliani, mccain)
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To: elizabetty

Keep tryin’ betty.


20 posted on 12/20/2007 3:51:29 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (It depends on what the meaning of "is"...is..Clinton?....No, Romney! Dissembling at its best!)
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