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To: MEGoody

well, he is right about december. jesus wasnt born then, church officials way back when just took over a pagan holiday.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 5:55:43 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: abstracTT

cant support the rest of that nonsense tho.


13 posted on 12/20/2007 5:56:23 AM PST by abstracTT
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To: abstracTT

http://cranach.worldmagblog.com/cranach/archives/2005/12/why_december_25.html

I can not verify it’s claims, but it is interesting...


18 posted on 12/20/2007 6:00:45 AM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: abstracTT
"well, he is right about december. jesus wasnt born then, church officials way back when just took over a pagan holiday."

Actually, some theorize that it may have been just the opposite. Depends on whether Constantine or Julian the Apostate officially instituted the "Natale Solis Invictus," December 25th.

Julian's Calendar of 354 institutes a festival "N(atalis) Invicti" listed for 25 Dec. with 30 chariot races. The difficulty is that both Julian and the Calendar post-date the celebration of Christmas on this date in Rome. What we need to see, is data that clarifies whether this was a pagan reaction to Christmas (i.e. Julian trying to coopt an established Christian celebration) or vice-versa.

Others argue "of course the pagans celebrated it first, because it's the winter solstice and they *must* have celebrated it," but there's no incontrovertible written proof either way.

47 posted on 12/20/2007 6:47:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Virgo dei genitrix, quem totus non capit orbis, in tua se clausit viscera factus homo.)
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To: abstracTT
well, he is right about december.

The bible doesn't say Jesus was born in December, so I wasn't refering to that.

88 posted on 12/20/2007 8:40:34 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: abstracTT
jesus wasnt born then

Prove it.

116 posted on 12/20/2007 12:59:19 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: abstracTT
well, he is right about december. jesus wasnt born then, church officials way back when just took over a pagan holiday.

While I agree, I think, with the assignment of the date, I disagree, I think, with the assertion that Jesus wasn't born on that date. There is just as much chance he was born on December 25th as any other day in the year.

The denigration of the tradition of "The Three Kings" is, of course, what you get when you put atheists and/or perverts in positions of authority over religious congregations. There are no eye witnesses to the nativity extant. I don't know if they were kings. I'm not entirely positive it would have made sense in that era for three kings to get together for such a journey. I don't think it matters.

In my family tradition they were three wise men.

It is hard to believe that the Anglican Church is losing adherents so fast that churches are imploding in the vacuum left behind. I know I'd want to attend where the the grand puppeteer tells me my church is the one for idiots. Yikes!

127 posted on 12/21/2007 4:08:17 AM PST by stevem
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