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BAPTISTS SPLIT OVER HUCK (Robert Novak)
The New York Post ^ | December 20, 2007 | Robert Novak

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:37:55 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: billorites

Ex’s are much slicker now but they still have the same core values...larceny in their hearts and “God when needed” on their lips. The worst ones become lawyers.


21 posted on 12/20/2007 6:55:11 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We have become an oligarchy not a Republic.)
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To: marinamuffy

I guess great minds think alike. I think he and Charles Logan do have a similar look. I think it is the jaw that does it.


22 posted on 12/20/2007 6:58:31 AM PST by trenton1776
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To: camerongood210

Tell your dad that the Fair Tax sounds good, but will take a Constitutional amendment to enact, and since the President has no authority whatsoever in amending the Constitution, the Fair Tax is nothing more than another feel good Huckabee soundbite.

BTW, I can sympathize. I have a family member who will vote for whomever the Dems put up, including Hillary, because “they’re for the little guy.” Never mind that the little guy in my family is quite successful and is proud to tell people he made more than the President last year (because he also has a bad case of BDS). Family. What can you do?

Good luck with your dad.


23 posted on 12/20/2007 7:11:10 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: LadyNavyVet; camerongood210

After you tell him the above, tell your Dad that all the money that he has put away for retirement that has been taxed already will be taxed again at 23% when he spends it under the Fair Tax.


24 posted on 12/20/2007 7:17:36 AM PST by Politicalmom (Huckabee is the GOP's Jimmy Carter. Are you ready for Huck the Schmuck to plunder your pocketbook?)
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To: Greg F
For the first time ever, this Southern Baptist family is not on the same page, as far as, who each of us will vote for in the primary's.
25 posted on 12/20/2007 7:18:01 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: camerongood210

Point out the danger to your Dad that we end up with a national sales tax AND an income tax.


26 posted on 12/20/2007 7:23:03 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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As a Christian, I appreciate Mike’s faith, and his willingness to not back down from it, but he has a problem distinguishing between Christian charity and socialism, giving and theft. A Christian shouldn’t want to be Caesar telling us that he is due more and more of our earnings. A Christian in public office has twice the obligation to represent the Kingdom of Heaven to the people he serves, encouraging charity by example, not by using taxes as a tool for stealing from them. If Christians can’t do that, and restrain themselves from the temptation to plunder, they should get into a different line of work. Likewise, anyone in government serves God by upholding justice and providing for peace and security. Allowing illegals to come in to work, go to school, set up networks that provide for human smuggling, drug trafficking, auto theft and plundering our social services is a violation of the public trust. I don’t trust a man who can’t see past the softness of his head to the consequences of his actions. Millions of American citizens have been hurt because our public officials place greed over their duty to uphold our immigration laws. I hope the evangelical crowd wakes up to take a close look at Mike and his flaws. I sympathize with fellow Christians who can’t support a moral degenerate like Rudy or a liberal, pro choice, gun grabber like Mitt, but Mike is a poor alternative.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 7:27:39 AM PST by pallis
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To: TexGuy

This’n neither!


28 posted on 12/20/2007 7:29:03 AM PST by subterfuge (HILLARY IS: She who must NOT be Dismayed)
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To: camerongood210

The Fair Tax is just a sound bite ruse Huckabee likes to throw out.

I heard this guy preach at Bellvue Baptist in Memphis during the late Dr. Rogers illness. I am considering on trying to see if they have a copy of the sermon, as it has been years ago.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 7:34:12 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Huckabee - Our Sanjaya!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He so reminds me of Jimmah Carter, it’s amazing.


30 posted on 12/20/2007 7:41:05 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: camerongood210

There is no way congress will pass a fair tax. It would take many many many years to get that done if ever. I am not sure it would work much as I like Neal. I see a black market to avoid that tax.


31 posted on 12/20/2007 7:42:04 AM PST by libbylu (I am voting for the prettiest.)
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To: LadyNavyVet; Greg F

Thanks guys. I didn’t realize it would take a constitutional amendment to enact the fair tax, but it makes sense. Some time ago, when the Republican field looked quite weak, I was quietly pushing for Rudy just because he was the one I thought could beat Hillary (although I should strongly point out that I disagree with a good bit of his policies, but it’s better to have an R in the WH rather than a D, right?). Anyways, my dad kept saying how he would never vote for someone that is pro-choice. I pointed out to him that it really didn’t matter what the president thought about abortion, because he has limited power in overturning RvW. I even pointed out to him that Rudy had stated on numerous occasions that he would nominate pro-life judges, therefore debunking the whole argument. I’m off the Rudy bandwagon now that the field has started to come around, and I think I’m going to stay that way. Again, thanks for the help.


32 posted on 12/20/2007 7:44:07 AM PST by camerongood210 (Defeat the idiots in '08, vote for Fred Thompson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can he appeal to Baptists when his past rhetoric on illegal immigration is straight out of the Liberation Theology handbook? He called those who wanted to enforce the laws and close the border racists, for pete’s sake! What is wrong with these people supporting him?


33 posted on 12/20/2007 7:48:47 AM PST by montag813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not all Baptists are a stupid as jimmy carter.


34 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:15 AM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: montag813

“What is wrong with these people supporting him?”

My guess is his supporters notice that he is/was an ordained minister (not really sure if he still is or not; I’ve heard both), and stop their analysis right there. Huck could be our Hillary, in that they each get the majority of their support from uninformed pinheads.


35 posted on 12/20/2007 7:54:08 AM PST by camerongood210 (Defeat the idiots in '08, vote for Fred Thompson)
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To: camerongood210
Huck is for the fair tax, thereby pretty much abolishing the IRS to some extent. If that’s the case, then how can he be pro-big government. My best guess is that the fair tax would bring in a comparable amount of money in relation to the existing tax structure. Given that people will pretty much be able to decided, to some extent, how much they pay in taxes, there would be a slight decline in tax revenue for the government. However, since we would be using a fair tax system, the IRS would be obsolete, but there would have to be an establishment, so some extent, to collect the money (although I’m sure this establishment would be far smaller as compared to the IRS), right? That being said, would the government be able to make up the difference for the deficit by abolishing the IRS, thereby giving the government as much money as they have today for big government? Can someone help me on this? I need to lure my dad away from the dark side.

Huck is full of it, first off. He simply latched onto the FairTax idea to find a way to gather votes. His record in Arkansas is one of never seeing a tax hike he didn't like. He may genuinely wish to implement it, but it won't be easy to do and I have reservations about the economic feasibility of it anyway. You can be pro-big government and pro-FairTax anyway, because it is revenue-neutral and doesn't require spending cuts to implement. And it won't "abolish the IRS" because some sort of agency will still be needed to gather, count, collect, and distrbute the FairTax revenue to the government. It might cease to exist as we know it but there still will be one.

36 posted on 12/20/2007 7:59:29 AM PST by RockinRight (Fred Thompson spells gravitas B-A-L-L-S-O-F-S-T-E-E-L.)
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To: RockinRight

“Huck is full of it, first off. He simply latched onto the FairTax idea to find a way to gather votes”

You may be onto something here. How does someone so inclined to spend (and most noteably infatuated with taking money from the public in the form of tax hikes) go from constatly raising taxes to the FairTax scheme? Point being: Huck has shifted from hurting the general public with taxes (at least in Arkansas) to now wanting to help the public with taxes. Didn’t Huck just say something a few days ago about being genuine and sticking to his convictions?


37 posted on 12/20/2007 8:08:30 AM PST by camerongood210 (Defeat stupidity in '08, vote for Fred Thompson)
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To: camerongood210

Huckabee being for the Fair Tax is a “safe” political position. It’s safe because the chances of the FT being enacted anytime in the near future are nil. Supporters of the FT couldn’t even get the late GOP congress to seriously consider it, so how is the Dem-dominated congress going to give it a chance?

The Huckster can poilitically posture about the Fair Tax all he wants, and nothing will change. the IRS will still be the IRS we know and hate, and the cottage industry that caters to idiots who can’t fill out their own tax returns will continue to flourish. Lots of people can’t seem to handle the four basic arithmetic functions and simple percentages, even with the help of a calculator.

Thompson’s plan for a flat tax option is much more doable, although it’s an uphill fight in its own right wit h the current congress.


38 posted on 12/20/2007 8:35:06 AM PST by Josh Painter ("Managers are people who leaders hire." - Fred Thompson)
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To: TexGuy

Neither is this Baptist... As for me and my family, we are Huckfree, but will vote for the GOP who is elected to run against Hillary.


39 posted on 12/20/2007 8:38:28 AM PST by JFC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'm a Baptist who'd vote for Romney if I was an American.

Instead I voted for Stephen Harper, who "occasionally attends" Christian & Missionary Alliance services.

40 posted on 12/20/2007 8:39:09 AM PST by Ipberg
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