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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Fox News ^ | Thursday, December 20, 2007

Posted on 12/20/2007 5:36:13 AM PST by Sopater

WASHINGTON — The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: aim; americanindians; anarchists; brokentreaty; cessession; lakota; russellmeans; sedition; sioux
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To: mad_as_he$$
Many Lakota have NOT become citizens of the uS by choice.

With the exception of the naturalized citizens, no American citizen became one by choice.
241 posted on 12/20/2007 12:41:15 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Vor Lady

ping


242 posted on 12/20/2007 12:42:07 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: Sopater

I guess this means they will forfeit their rights to Social Security and Medicare.


243 posted on 12/20/2007 12:42:44 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem
On the other hand, we control their access to airspace and everything else, their members are no longer US citizens, and should have to turn in their voter ID cards.

Yep. No longer a citizen, no longer available for benefits. Of course, you know how that'll go over with a socialist Congress.

244 posted on 12/20/2007 12:44:42 PM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: silverleaf
NO more us government welfare checks, education, job training or health care. Net gain for the US taxpayer.

Not to mention new lands for national parks. While out globe trotting, don't let them back in without a VISA initiated from their home country - oh, they don't have a country? Too bad.

245 posted on 12/20/2007 12:46:36 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: sodpoodle
How many Lakotas? Demographics? Population???

70,000 registered Lakota Sioux. About 35,000 live on the reservations.

246 posted on 12/20/2007 12:48:56 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Sopater
LOL!

Just change this from dems to indians and you get the point


247 posted on 12/20/2007 12:49:09 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Sopater
Tell the welfare chief that the government teat just dried up...Oh wait, the U. f’n N. will come to their aid. Much noise will be made, and for the U.N’s convenience they will let the Indians die, only to point their fingers at the U.S with a whole new set of accustions....
248 posted on 12/20/2007 12:51:12 PM PST by Issaquahking (N.H. FNC Debate "What did you do for America today?" Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Rightly Biased

True. But Mackenzie did a number on American Horse in the winter of ‘76, and Miles broke the Cheyenne [and, indirectly], Crazy Horse the same winter. He also drove Sitting Bull into Canadian exile.


249 posted on 12/20/2007 12:54:50 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
None of the immigrants were forced to live on an arid and unproductive stretch of desert

No native American is forced to live on a reservation. Those that live there choose to. Plenty of Native Americans choose not to.

250 posted on 12/20/2007 12:57:02 PM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: aruanan

American Indians were not U.S citizens until an act of Congress granted them citizenship in, I believe, 1924.


251 posted on 12/20/2007 1:01:24 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Danae

What in your mind does their secession from the treaty imply? Are we still bound by the treaty if the other party is not bound by it? Do we fall back into a state of war?


252 posted on 12/20/2007 1:03:16 PM PST by TexGuy
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To: PzLdr
American Indians were not U.S citizens until an act of Congress granted them citizenship in, I believe, 1924.

Notice the use of the present tense in post 241.
253 posted on 12/20/2007 1:17:03 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Sopater

Well, that’s too bad.

Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out...!


254 posted on 12/20/2007 1:21:24 PM PST by austinaero
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To: fish hawk

On this date in 1860 South Carolina decided to become an independent nation. It didn’t work. So far there is no evidence this is more than a publicity stunt by Russell Means.


255 posted on 12/20/2007 1:22:56 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: fish hawk

United States v Nestor. Ephram Nestor was deported after it was discovered he had been a member of the Communist Party in the 1930’s. He was deported and his Social Security forfeited.
This was the decision where SCOTUS ruled that the government via Section 1104 of FICA (The reservation of Power)is under no obligation to pay you.


256 posted on 12/20/2007 1:23:46 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: PzLdr

They’re soooooo commercial. Fort Apache, Apache Helicopters. The Nez Perce need a better press agent.


257 posted on 12/20/2007 1:26:40 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: LachlanMinnesota

loved reading your posts on this thread

i agree with your attitude


258 posted on 12/20/2007 1:30:41 PM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: LachlanMinnesota

“While I agree there are some radical elements in the tribe, including Russell Means, before one criticizes the attitude, it would be good to see the living conditions on some of the reservations. Many people live in the run-down facilities, and there are no jobs for those who want them. There is a liquor store just across the line out of one reservation that supplies alcohol and thus promotes the rampant alcoholism. There are poor medical facilities and schools, and most of all, no hope for the future.”

I believe because of both alcohol and diabetes, the average life expectancy of a plains indian make is about 40 years. Something definitely needs to be done - I couldn’t tell you what it should be though.

However, these “radical” leaders need to be arrested for sedition and treason.


259 posted on 12/20/2007 1:33:15 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: TexGuy

I really don’t know.

Honestly, I don’t. Heck we don’t even know if this is an official position of the Lakota Nation, given the wording of the article I have to assume not. But then we don’t know what we don’t know.


260 posted on 12/20/2007 1:37:19 PM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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