Fred Thompson to Brody File: Mike Huckabee is Not a Conservative

Christian Broadcast Network ^ | Dec. 19, 2007 | David Brody

[FocusNexus]

David Brody: You don't believe he's a conservative?

Fred Thompson: You're talking about Huckabee? No. He's pro life and of course I received the endorsement of the national pro life group and several of the state groups we share that strong conviction. But in terms of social policies taxes and illegal immigration and in terms of his view as how the world works, as best as I can determine it, we don't share those views at all. I think we have a different vantage point on that.

[Gondring]

Fred Thompson to Brody File: Mike Huckabee is Not a Conservative

...this coming from a former member of the Senate Centrist Coalition?!?

[byteback]

Coalition Members (107th Congress)

* Democrats

* Max Baucus
* Evan Bayh
* John Breaux
* Jean Carnahan
* Tom Carper
* Max Cleland
* Kent Conrad
* John Edwards
* Dianne Feinstein
* Bob Graham
* Tim Johnson
* Herb Kohl
* Mary Landrieu
* Joseph I. Lieberman
* Blanche Lincoln
* Barbara Mikulski
* Zell Miller
* Ben Nelson
* Bill Nelson
* Bob Torricelli
* Debbie Stabenow
* Ron Wyden

* Republicans

* George Allen
* Bob Bennett
* Kit Bond
* John Chafee
* Susan Collins
* Mike DeWine
* Pete Domenici
* Peter Fitzgerald
* Bill Frist
* Judd Gregg
* Chuck Hagel
* Jim Jeffords
* John McCain
* Pat Roberts
* Richard Shelby
* Gordon Smith
* Olympia J. Snowe
* Arlen Specter
* Fred Thompson
* George V. Voinovich
* John Warner

[Kevmo]

As I’ve stated in other threads, that means Thompson supporters are asking Hunterites to care about polls when they obviously don’t care that much about polls, and they’re asking Hucksterites to care about conservatism when it’s obvious that isn’t high on the Huck followers’ radar. Thompson is asking for both camps to care about the things they don’t care about.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

[Bobbisox]

FRED THOMPSON - NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT (I’ll protect the American people and American values, whatever it takes to stop the Islamic-Fascists including water-boarding) - 2ND AMENDMENT ADVOCATE (arming the People to disarm criminals) – INCREASE THE MILITARY’S STRENGTH AND SIZE (giving those brave men and women a Commander in Chief to be proud of) - SECURE AND SEAL THE BORDERS (don’t give sanctuary anywhere to illegal’s, don’t employ illegal’s, don’t rent to illegal’s, don’t extend credit to illegal’s, don’t give illegal’s rights they don’t deserve, report all crimes committed by illegal’s and deport those illegal’s who have already committed crimes against America) - LAW AND ORDER (enforcement first and foremost with laws currently on the books) – DENY FEDERAL DOLLARS TO SANCTUARY CITIES (enough is enough) – CONSERVATIVE JUSTICES FOR SUPREMES (those who will interpret the law, not create rights that do not exist) – PRO-LIFE ADVOCATE (nominate superior Constitutional Justices to overturn Roe vs Wade) - SOCIAL SECURITY REFORMER (reform a broken program that can’t sustain itself and will bankrupt future generations, with the added benefit of private savings accounts) - DEFEAT ANY DEMOCRAT AND RINO (any fool DemocRATS put up) – TAX SIMPLIFICATION (variety of choice for the tax payer) - WON’T PUT UP WITH CRAP FROM THE MSM (including stupid questions by moderators and pundits) - “WE THE PEOPLE” CANDIDATE (We the People asked him to run and he stepped up) - PING!

[Gondring]

Yeah, it's sure comforting to see Fred Thompson associating with Jim Jeffords, John Chafee, Arlen Specter, et al, not to mention Dianne Feinstein, John Edwards, Barbara Mikulsku, et al.

[Uriah_lost]

Oh wow! Membership in a group! That’s some damning stuff right there!....lol.
Come back when you can bring your “A” game. We deserve better than this junk you’re pedaling. Show us where he tried to get tax increases passed, or when he supported the release or commutation of murderer’s sentances because the said they were “weawy, weawy, sowwy” ! Oh sorry that’s Huck, isn’t it?

[Gondring]

As I’ve stated in other threads, that means Thompson supporters are asking Hunterites to care about polls when they obviously don’t care that much about polls[...]

I dunno... Sen. Thompson is catching up in New Hampshire. He's got about a third as many voters as Ron Paul in the latest polls!

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

“Exactly other than being pro-life the huckster is a “good” democrat.”

Good Democrat = Good Huckster

Huckster = One who uses aggressive, showy, and sometimes devious methods to promote or sell a product. also, a person who employs showy methods to effect a sale, win votes, etc.: the crass methods of political hucksters.

Not much different between this one and the huckster from Hope

[Gondring]

Oh wow! Membership in a group! That’s some damning stuff right there!....lol.

LOL! So willful association with a group is meaningless?

I suppose being a member of an Islamist mosque wouldn't say anything about a person, eh? Just because someone is in the Green Party wouldn't be damning, eh? What a joke!

Oh sorry that’s Huck, isn’t it?

Hey, I didn't say you should vote for Gov. Huckabee, either--I'm a conservative!

[Uriah_lost]

No, you appear to be, at best disingenuous.
Other than that Campaign Finance Reform thing that’s been done to death already(and which he has appologized for), what non-conservative votes or actions in public office by Fred Thompson can you cite? His 100% pro-life voting record? His defense of gun rights? How about his votes to leave issues not specified as Federal to the States or the People? Yeah that’s all pretty leftist stuff there...that 10th Amendment is pure liberal!

[SoConPubbie]

All Gondring has is smoke and mirrors.

Never a good thing to say about Fred, and there is a lot of good things to say about Fred!

You are right, he is the definition of disingenuous!

There are several of them around here.

They really have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.

Their purpose seems to be to somehow drag down Fred, however, given the quality of their postings, I doubt they are having the effect they desire.

[Gondring]

I love his Federalism talk, but is it for real or just opportunist like Romney gets accused of? Ann Coulter might be a bomb-thrower, but she does have a good point that for a Senator from Tennessee, we could have expected a lot more conservative leadership if he actually were conservative. That is, it's not like some conservatism would have gotten him in hot water with voters from that state.

And I don't know details, but here's one group's opinion on his immigration record (click image to go to the page)...

[Gondring]

Never a good thing to say about Fred[...]

LOL! Disingenuous? Heck, your claim here downright dishonest!!!

I've posted how good it is to hear Federalism proclaimed.

I've posted how he showed leadership in the last debate, with the other candidates chiming in with "me neither" on the show of hands.

Etc.

Their purpose seems to be to somehow drag down Fred, however, given the quality of their postings, I doubt they are having the effect they desire.

Nope. The purpose is to try to discuss and determine who might be the best candidate to support. I'm sorry if you feel that your candidate can't take the heat, but I'm not interested in that...I just want to lay out positives and negatives of each.

[Checkers]

[Prophet in the wilderness]

I guess Fred is in his attack mode and “ BRING IT ON “ mode, because ? at least Fred does not have to fake being a conservative, he IS a conservative.

[Uriah_lost]

Wow now you're moving to graphics, neato. We can argue about what number or type of visas should be issued but the fact remains that Thompson has been right on the issue of illegal immigration(which didn't really come up much during his tenure). Sadly, because the man term limited himself to two terms he never really was in "leadership". His record stands up well to any other candidate that is running, with any significant support. What don't you like about Federalism? Do you really want DC setting the agenda for everything you do? It was a mainstay of Reagan's domestic policy. It is also much of the reason Thompson voted against popular measures that would have usurped States' authority. That pesky 10th Amendment again!

[Uriah_lost]

Dude, that’s just not fair.

[lesser_satan]

Roy Beck of Numbers USA on Fred's immigration plan:

When Fred Thompson came out with a detailed immigration policy this fall, I knew it was very good but was too busy leading the fight against amnesties in the Senate to give thorough attention.

Reading Thompson’s full proposed immigration policy this afternoon, I am blown away by its depth, its breadth and at how it would so fundamentally change Americans’ future for the better.

It's true that Numbers USA has been critical of Thompson in the past (mostly over LEGAL immigration issues, as they want a reduction in immigration overall), however Mr. Beck went further in his analysis:

As a Senator from Tennessee in the 1990s, Thompson had a mixed record on immigration. I've studied that record and believe it reflects the problem that we saw even in some of this year's Senate heroes who also were mediocre in the 1990s -- most of them just weren't paying much attention to this issue in the 1990s (just like a lot of you have only become active on this during the last couple of years).

NumbersUSA always gives ample credit to politicians who turn from bad or mediocre records and decide to become our champions. But less-than-stellar past records require us to look for signs of sincerity and assurance that they will follow through on their promises.

With Thompson, we will be watching closely for these signs. One strong point for him is that he finished his Senate career with an A-minus performance in 01/02 term after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. And since coming out with his official stance, he has not been equivocating when asked about immigration in media appearances or in strong immigration ads.

[marsh2]

Was Huckabee on Hee Haw? I must have missed it.

[Clara Lou]

Yeah,...and George Allen.