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How the Energy Bill Will Change the Car You Drive [HINT: Not for the better]
U.S.News & World Report ^ | Wednesday December 19, 11:01 am ET | Rick "Feel like a " Newman

Posted on 12/19/2007 5:42:22 PM PST by BenLurkin

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To: rb22982

rb, irrespective of YOUR reasons, calex is correct about the motivations behind this “energy policy”.
No real solutions to providing large quantities of CLEAN POWER.
These antagonists are anti-people, anti-capitalist, anti-corporation, etc.
We will NOT “conserve” our way into prosperity and a clean environment!
Conservation is noble, but I object to the manner in which its being served up.


61 posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:48 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: MediaMole
A properly designed system that stops the motor when ever you are stopped

That is already done with the existing hybrids.

62 posted on 12/20/2007 4:38:07 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: BenLurkin
The Stanford announcement on Slashdot this morning changes everything. A 10X improvement in lithium battery energy density using nanowires, a major breakthrough. This is equivalent to 600 miles between charges for a mid-sized sedan.

Added to the earlier announcement by Toshiba of a 5 minute charge time.

Appears that the internal combustion engine will be retired within a decade for passenger vehicles.

63 posted on 12/20/2007 4:38:19 AM PST by Vet_6780
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To: Vet_6780
Appears that the internal combustion engine will be retired within a decade for passenger vehicles.

Wanna bet?

64 posted on 12/20/2007 7:11:47 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: BenLurkin
Inflating food prices will cause spiking inflation

Higher food prices don't cause inflation.

65 posted on 12/20/2007 7:14:04 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Higher food prices will lead to a demand for higher wages and on and on...


66 posted on 12/20/2007 7:15:47 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
"Replace all cars with diesel.."

Yes!

Apparently the Smart diesel will not be sold in the U.S.

I saw a review of a Lupo (VW) diesel, that got 58 mpg, but alas, those are not available here either.

Lupo is not produced anymore anyway.

I am holding out for a Rabbit TDI.

67 posted on 12/20/2007 7:20:03 AM PST by Designer
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To: BenLurkin
If the money supply isn’t inflated, it won’t matter. Other prices will have to fall.
68 posted on 12/20/2007 7:35:14 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: ryan71

NOT FUNNY.

I think my heart stopped beating for at least a three count.

I will forever prize my ‘68 Fastback, and loathe the abominations that are the Mustang IIs.

Have you seen the new Bullitt Mustang? Nice.


69 posted on 12/20/2007 8:09:29 AM PST by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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To: G Larry

Didn’t say they were, but the ‘reliability’ comment you made isn’t accurate anymore. That isn’t a priority, that’s a fact.


70 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:22 AM PST by rb22982
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To: G Larry
rb, irrespective of YOUR reasons, calex is correct about the motivations behind this “energy policy”.

Correct, which is why I have said several times I do not favor any coersion for this, just that gloating about driving an SUV that gets worse mileage than a previous vehicle is stupid even from without a conservation point as that just means you are gloating about spending more in gas. I do not find that very intelligent personally.

71 posted on 12/20/2007 8:23:54 AM PST by rb22982
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To: boop

Again, you people are miss-understanding my point. Go back and re-read what I said. I’m not talking about other people. I’m talking about one person on FR who was gloating about dropping in fuel efficient to ‘stick’ it to congress. The only person that sticks it to is us.


72 posted on 12/20/2007 8:25:32 AM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982

Really?
Where does J.D. Powers rank Kia for reliability?


73 posted on 12/20/2007 8:29:19 AM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: G Larry
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2003-03-11-cr-picks_x.htm (Hyundai & Kia are the same car)
http://www.carpages.co.uk/hyundai/hyundai_hits_top_three_02_10_04.asp

Want more? googled 2 out of 3 links

74 posted on 12/20/2007 8:31:59 AM PST by rb22982
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To: BenLurkin

this article misses the point. The congress is trying to force the hand of the automakers because we need to get off of our dependence on foreign oil, or at least greatly diminish it. There is new technology that I read about which will get the hydrogen energy out of water in a very efficient way...problem solved! Also, there are patents which have been bought by the oil makers and car makers which vaporize and turn gasoline into basically a propane type fuel for huge increases in mpg’s. A canadian man did it successfully in the 1930’s and it was tested and written about in the media quite a bit. He bacame a very wealthy man after selling the patent rights and of course car makers never made them into their cars. The car and oil companies are financially intertwinned and definetly don’t want to greatly reduce the gas part of their profits. Do some research on high mileage vapor fuel savers and you will see that the oil companies own something like 93 of the patents. Now why on earth would they buy the patents if they were not viable?


75 posted on 12/20/2007 8:37:05 AM PST by fabian
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To: G Larry

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/01/25/035030.html


76 posted on 12/20/2007 8:40:34 AM PST by rb22982
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To: Disturbin

“Awesome, bring on the unibody trucks! [/s]”

yeah, there are more Honda Ridgelines for sale on Ebay and Craigslist than almost any other truck. wonder why ?


77 posted on 12/20/2007 8:44:32 AM PST by stompk
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To: BenLurkin

The cafe and pollution standards have made cars better and forced the automotive companies to pursue improved technology. If we did not have those we still would have points and carburetors.

Todays cars are a 1000 times more dependable than those from 25 years ago due to technology such as fuel injection, electronic ignitions and distriberless ignitions etc-all brought about by gov’t regulations.

Sure it cost the consumer more for the car but now cars easily get 200-250k miles and you don’t have the costly tune ups every 50k miles and your engine is not worn out at 75k miles.


78 posted on 12/20/2007 8:44:35 AM PST by am452 (If you don't stand behind our troops feel free to stand in front of them!!)
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To: fabian
There is new technology that I read about which will get the hydrogen energy out of water in a very efficient way...problem solved!

LOL! There is no "hydrogen energy" in water.

79 posted on 12/20/2007 9:41:00 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (What came first, the bad math or the goldbuggery?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
LOL! There is no "hydrogen energy" in water.

Sure there is, just like your car's exhaust contains energy that can be released after you simply convert it back to fuel + oxygen. We are getting very efficient in that process, and as soon as we figure it out, we'll be energy independent. All I need is a government grant. (Insert sarcasm tag as required...)

80 posted on 12/20/2007 12:19:00 PM PST by Fan of Fiat
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