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Are your Compact Fluorescent bulbs really helping?
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Posted on 12/19/2007 1:18:19 PM PST by truthfinder9

They may lower your bills, but don't really do much for C02:

The U.S. Energy Star program says that if every home in America replaced one normal light bulb with a fluorescent...it would be equivalent to taking 800,000 cars off the road. Sure, that sounds like a lot, but it's less than 0.1 percent of registered cars worldwide. Plus, transportation accounts for only about one-fifth of global emissions anyway.

Just the increase in the amount of coal that China will burn by 2020 will send as much C02 into the atmosphere as 3 billion Ford Expeditions, each driven 15,000 miles a year.

An Inconvenient Book: Real Solutions to the World's Biggest Problems, p. 7.


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KEYWORDS: c02; cfls; environment; globalwarming; lightbulbs
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To: mylife
I agree. I hate CFLs and have tried many of them. I bought a new home less than a year ago and have replaced every lightbulb (there were a lot of them in almost every conceivable type and wattage) with GE Edison Halogen bulbs. I have no idea how much electricity they use and don't really care- I just like the light they give.

I had heard that the 100W incandescent bulb will be banned in a couple years. I do hope that an enterprising light bulbier introduces a 98W replacement! Kind of like how all the 750CC motorbikes were replaced by 720CC discplacements when the tariffs were introduced...
81 posted on 12/19/2007 2:20:17 PM PST by philled ("CNBC?...You might as well be doing ham radio at that point."-- Dennis Miller)
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To: Hardastarboard
They last longer than incandescents, but 5-7 years is wishful thinking.

The only thing that matters is hours of operation. I have one 60 watt-equivalent CFL that has now been operating 24/7 for 11 months as a night light. That's about 8,000 hours and it's still going. I would have needed between 4 and 8 incandescents to give me that length of service.

82 posted on 12/19/2007 2:20:29 PM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: truthfinder9

We buy those lifetime bulbs every year.


83 posted on 12/19/2007 2:20:44 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: truthfinder9
I bought the new fluorescent bulbs for my basement, but I may take them out and put the old ones back in. These give noticeably less light than the old bulbs although the fluorescent bulb’s literature claims that they’re equivalent to my incandescent bulb’s wattage, and they also make a low humming noise which becomes annoying after a while.

The box store where I bought them says the humming sound must be coming from my wiring because the fluorescents don’t make noise, but there was no hum from the wiring or light fixtures when I had the incandescent bulbs in place. I think it would be wise to buy and store a good supply of incandescent bulbs of various wattage ratings to use after they're no longer made. The small savings on electricity and the claimed longer life of the fluorescents doesn't save me enough money to matter if the bulbs aren't satisfactory.

84 posted on 12/19/2007 2:21:24 PM PST by epow
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To: Slapshot68
I don’t care about their “green” aspect. Fact is, I can put them in and not worry about changing them for 5-7 years.

Yeah right, I had one burn out in less than a year. Some savings.
85 posted on 12/19/2007 2:21:39 PM PST by plsvn
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To: SoDak

Yep... Between the energy savings and the savings from replacement costs, I love my compact fluorescents.


86 posted on 12/19/2007 2:23:53 PM PST by Michael A. Velli (Mitt in '08 -- smart, energetic, conservative)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

In addition, you have to be extremely cautious with them concerning the mercury they contain. One of my coworkers and I have both been treated for mercury poisoning we got from handling broken bulbs and their packaging and another coworker is currently undergoing treatment. Trust me, it is not fun.”

Many people are just going to throw these out with the trash.
And where do you think that mercury will end up ? Answer: In our drinking water and in our food supply. Only idiot liberals and government could be that stupid to mandate that everyone use bulbs with deadly mercury in them for “environmental” reasons and for a hoax ,namely global warming.

One more example that shows that government laws, government regulations, and government planning does not work but ends up making things worse.


87 posted on 12/19/2007 2:25:22 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: gridlock

Use your search engine of choice on the web, you’ll find them. To get you started:

http://www.1000bulbs.com/Dimmable-Compact-Fluorescent-Bulbs/?utm_source=0&utm_medium=0&gclid=CPuxxMSvtZACFVB1OAodaE6aMA

If you don’t find exactly what you need today, wait six months. CFL’s are young technology, which means they’re improving rapidly as manufacturers learn how to make them better. So don’t stock up, keep a small reserve for immediate replacements, when you use them up buy again.

CFL’s are at their best when they’re used for long periods of the day, less so when they’re turned on for a minute or two per day, like closets. Swap out your bulbs, keep your incandescents to use in closets or other low use areas until they burn out, but there’s not much point in buying more incandescents. Unless you have medical or other issues with CFL’s - some people do.


88 posted on 12/19/2007 2:26:23 PM PST by Cheburashka (Liberals never think what they have done is wrong, they think they haven't done it enough yet.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
I placed a few of these things in non-crucial parts of the house (bedside lamp, garage). The bedside lamp had a noticeable buzz/hum. The garage lamps was not as bright as the incandescent bulbs they displaced.

Aha! So I'm not the only one hearing that hum and noticing less light. Home Depot was wrong about the source of my humming noise and I intend to let them know it.

89 posted on 12/19/2007 2:26:39 PM PST by epow
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To: Michael A. Velli

Yep... Between the energy savings and the savings from replacement costs, I love my compact fluorescents.”

Yes, but it should be your choice if you want to buy bulbs with mercury in them. The government should not force all of us to buy that poison that will poison our water and food supply.


90 posted on 12/19/2007 2:27:28 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I am confused. You’re burning 105 Watts of power to get the equivalent of 80 Watt lightbulb? The math’s off somewhere, there FRiend...unless that’s 7 80 Watt lightbulbs you are replacing.


LOL...... I had to read it a couple of times but he’s using 7 of the 15 watt flourescents. Each 15 watt flourescent has a lumen output equivelant to an 80 watt incandescent. So he has 105 watts of flourescent giving the effect [lumen output] of 560 watts of incandescent....


91 posted on 12/19/2007 2:34:47 PM PST by deport (---14 days Iowa Caucuses--- 19 days New Hampshire vote s--- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: Democrat_media
They've started coming out with "eco-friendly" CFL bulbs, but they are extremely expensive when compared to the regular CFL bulbs. These things cost almost $10 each! You can get a six-pack of regular CFL's for the same price.

They don't have mercury in them, but I wonder what other nasty chemicals they might have.

The only fluorescent bulbs I have in my house are in a couple of 4-foot strip lights down in the basement. Other than that, I'll stick to regular incandescent bulbs.

92 posted on 12/19/2007 2:36:06 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Slapshot68
"I don’t care about their “green” aspect. Fact is, I can put them in and not worry about changing them for 5-7 years."

Mine are burning out more often then the incandescents. Frankly, I don't think they are worth the price. And the light they produce is not sufficient. But the wife thinks we need them. Oh well.

93 posted on 12/19/2007 2:36:54 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Secret Agent Man

I really did like them; however, they were much more expensive; but did last longer.


94 posted on 12/19/2007 2:37:31 PM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: freekitty

Buy some newer ones, they are barely more expensive now from places like Costco, last 5-7x as long (8000-10000 hours instead of 2000), and use 75% less energy. My energy bill dropped 20% instantly.


95 posted on 12/19/2007 2:37:57 PM PST by rb22982
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To: Stonewall Jackson

“Other than that, I’ll stick to regular incandescent bulbs.”

And what will you do when the light bulb police , big brother, comes knocking on your door? will you still stick with those incandescent bulbs? I feel like I’m living a nightmare. I never thought I’d see the day In America where the government would ban light bulbs . We are going to be a socialist state soon and all standing in bread lines.


96 posted on 12/19/2007 2:41:27 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are communists/Socialists.Socialism is an economic disaster.)
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To: freekitty

I got mine when they were having deals. I paid about 99 cents per 60-watt equivs, and $1.50 per 75/100 watt equivs. Then every once in awhile Home D would have a box of 6 on sale for $8 and I’d pick up a box or two. I have a bunch just waiting to be used. But you’re right, it only makes sense to get them when there is a special deal.


97 posted on 12/19/2007 2:42:50 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Cyber Liberty
There are 7 15-watt bulbs that emit the light equivalent of an 80 watt incandescent bulb. In total, they consume about as much as a 105 Watt incandescent light bulb, so I don’t worry about flicking the switch and lighting up the backyard in the summertime.

I am confused. You're burning 105 Watts of power to get the equivalent of 80 Watt lightbulb? The math's off somewhere, there FRiend...unless that's 7 80 Watt lightbulbs you are replacing.

Can LED lightbulbs work with dimmer switches? I know the flourescents don't, but nobody seems to care.


Sorry. I noticed my omission after I posted it and hoped that I wouldn't get called on it... :-)

That should have read:
There are seven 15-watt bulbs, each of which emits the light equivalent of an 80 watt incandescent bulb.

98 posted on 12/19/2007 2:43:39 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: RangerM

And what do you do when they burn out? You can’t just drop them in the trash bin. Do you have to call Haz-Mat?

This is ridiculous. Fluorescent bulbs cause me to get ‘red eye’ immediately, and then a headache. I bring the good old fashioned bulbs with me when I travel.

I have also heard they don’t last as long as we are being told.

I detest the Government invading my home.


99 posted on 12/19/2007 2:43:51 PM PST by yorkie ( For God so loved the world........................ that He didn't send a committee.)
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To: wilco200

CFLs are $1 a piece now at places like Costco, and about $1.5 at Walmart. They saved me about 20% on my energy bill. They last 5-7x as long. I could give two licks about the environmental aspect of it. The amount of mercury in them is small compared to thermometers of old and they are saving me about $300 annually in energy savings plus a lot of hastle of not replacing bulbs as often.


100 posted on 12/19/2007 2:45:44 PM PST by rb22982
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