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A couple of comments in this thread remind me of an incident a few years back...

I was at work and near me were a group of three female coworkers. They were all a bit over middle age and from their comments, it was easy to deduce that they were divorced, living alone, not dating, (medically speaking here...) categorized as morbidly obese, borderline dyke in appearance (though they claimed hetero status) and extremely bitter toward all men. I say this because that was the topic of their conversation, if you’d like to call it that. I suppose it was more of a case of who can tell the best man bashing story contest.

I sat and quietly listened and chuckled to their stories. The bitterness and vitriol was absolutely amazing.

The last story told was by the most angry of them all. She relayed how all men are such pigs. “They can’t even leave the toilet seat down after using the bathroom!”; she snorted. Oh that was a good one and everyone had their turn at men-the-the-bathroom stories. The best were the why can’t men lift the seat before peeing...they get pee on the seat and never wipe it down!!!”

~collective GAAASSSSPPPP~

Not being one to easily keep my mouth closed when hearing such silliness and at the very least to defend my brothers, finally, I just had to chirp into the conversation.

In an attempt to add a bit of levity to the gender murder scene, I very sarcastically asked the leader of the pose; “So, exactly where is it written that it is for the man to maintain he position of the toilet seat? I mean we men feel it is a woman’s DUTY to leave the seat up for us as a sheer matter of courtesy. Do you know how many toilet seat droplets would never soil that throne if women simple left the seat up when they were finished!?!”

Needless to say, the sarcasm hit the target perfectly and each woman’s head exploded in a boiling rage. And to be honest I squirmed with delight, for now they knew how any man felt who had to listen to their man-hater garbage.

The “dialog moved along until the leader of the posse told this horrific story of how she hated her brother. Apparently, she had to share a bathroom with him throughout her childhood and she had been left indelibly scarred from the trauma. As she told it, he would NEVER put the seat back down after peeing.

At which I quickly snarked; “were you courteous enough to leave it up for him?” The veins on her forehead were near ready to burst.

She continued; "And it never failed...I’d get up to use th bathroom in the middle of the night and sit down, only to fall into the toilet because he was such a PIG!”

~collective gasp~...again from the hens

At which I simply had to ask...
“So...for eighteen years, you put up with that?”
“I had to”; she wryly snorted
“I can’t believe that you are willing to publicly admit that in eighteen years you didn’t learn to look to see if the seat was down before sitting on the toilet and are here actually blaming your brother the stupid one for your splashdowns! Your brother WASN'T the stupid one!”

~red-faced silence~...while I LMAO!

The hens didn’t talk to me after that, but they did maintain their bitter hen-coffee-clutch meetings in corners of the building. When I left there, each of them were still single and still just as bitter as the day I first overheard their collective carping..

Face it ladies...more often than not, it is the guy who gets the short end of the deal in divorce and custody courts...almost all the time! Carp about it all you want. Bring all of the "oh I once knew a gal" and "let me tell you my story" examples you like, but the fact remains the same. Guys get screwed more times than not.

With all of that said, i wish NOBODY got screwed...especially the kids.

Somebody much wiser than all once said; "It was not that way from the beginning".

230 posted on 12/20/2007 6:53:58 AM PST by woollyone (entropy extirpates evolution and conservation confirms the Creator blessed forever.)
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To: woollyone
Face it ladies...more often than not, it is the guy who gets the short end of the deal in divorce and custody courts...almost all the time! Carp about it all you want. Bring all of the "oh I once knew a gal" and "let me tell you my story" examples you like, but the fact remains the same. Guys get screwed more times than not.

Ok, now you've let your hand show. Your mind is made up and you have a myopic view of women. Look, I honestly know as many woman who've been screwed over in divorce and custody situations. I've heard horror stories on both sides, and I also have seen the hows and whys of the situations.

Like you, I base it totally on anecdotal evidence. And do you realize, that there are a lot, I mean a LOT, I mean a lot of Freeper females here who either haven't got a penny, or who can count their total child support for over 10 in triple digits?

Yet you act like they deserve the crap they've gotten....or its OK, or whatever.

Amy I saying guys haven't or don't get screwed? No. But the picture you guys keep painting HERE is like you're these innocent victims, and any woman HERE who posts the opposite of your beliefs must bet some evil witch, a crazy vampire or a 690 pound bull dyke.

Thanks, and were supposed to treat you with respect and courtesy? Why?

There are two sides to these stories. And a lot of good, kind, decent and NORMAL looking humans on both sides of the equation.

PS, there are a bunch of guys who posted some pretty bloody slash and burn posts that spiked the meter on psychotic bitter complaining. I mean, NOTHING compared to what I've seen women post here.... Yet its funny to see all the "there there, we guys are here for ya...." sympathy the wack jobs get....Holy crap. I've seen chickens treed by dogs who were more in controll.

But oh, I forget, we women (here) are evil beyond hope and redemption so anything you guys say and do to us (here) is OK. Out of fairness, why haven't you given them (ya know, the male, out of control, psycho, meter spiking bitter wack jobs) the equal "Bitter Boy Under the Microscope" scrutiny and asked them the same questions?

Rhetorical question because I know the answer.....and you men call US cliquish. hrmpt. Lockerooms don't die after high school.

233 posted on 12/20/2007 7:26:34 AM PST by najida (As God is my witness! The cockatoos ate my breakfast..)
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To: woollyone

Having grown a family with mostly daughters I always considered the toilet seat issue gentlemanly, but moreso a clear safety issue. Think about it in the dark.


235 posted on 12/20/2007 7:51:16 AM PST by ergonomic (Power of...)
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To: woollyone; ergonomic

Reading this post I think you two have much in common, now stop and get along.

please. I mean, you wouldn’t want to be CONFRONTATIONAL would you? And you really wouldn’t want anyone to claim you were confrontational when you were not, now would you. I know how that feels.


251 posted on 12/20/2007 8:32:57 AM PST by DeLaine (A man has only 1 escape from his old self: to see a different self in the mirror of his woman's eyes)
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