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Ron Paul on War
Townhall.com ^ | December 19, 2007 | John Stossel

Posted on 12/19/2007 5:34:25 AM PST by 50mm

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To: bcsco; taxed2death

So taxed2death, the only question I have is MIHOP or LIHOP?


141 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:35 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I never said that Ron Paul was a conspiracy nut, but it is a certainty that many of his supporters are.


142 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:35 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 50mm
It's the lack of diplomacy that is the greatest threat, not the weapons themselves.

There was once a guy named Neville Chamberlain who thought like this.


143 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance (For America's Revival - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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To: bcsco

“If this were true, then there was a conspiracy. And you just admitted you believe it.”
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You can’t be serious can you? I think you’ve been reading a bit too much conspiracy stuff. I’m sure OBL had underlings (soldiers) and such at his disposal. Would you at least agree with that? Do you really think OBL did this all by himself?

I thought my analogy was pretty clear? Do you think that there is a human being alive today...let’s just use our own military as an example...ok?....who could come up with a plan....do all the recon needed, have all the pieces to the puzzle fit and execute an attack like that... without help from those under his command?

Do you think we have one General in command who could micromanage an operation of this difficulty? GAWD, I would hope we are that lucky!

You sound like a nut.


144 posted on 12/19/2007 9:54:06 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; wagglebee
Dr. Paul denounced the Truthers and conspiracy nuts in his Glenn Beck interview last night.

Isn't that just like Paul... words over actions.. he denounces truthers in one breath and courts them on Alex Jones' radio program and takes part in Alex Jones' truther documentaries in another breath. Having your cake and eating it to.

145 posted on 12/19/2007 9:55:26 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: bcsco

You think that OBL recruited, trained, etc., all those people himself??!?! REALLY?!?!

Talk about nutty!


146 posted on 12/19/2007 9:55:28 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Yamamoto didn’t personally train all the Pearl Harbor pilots, but he is ultimately responsible for their actions.
Who do you think is ultimately responsible for recruiting them and setting it all up?
147 posted on 12/19/2007 9:58:04 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: wagglebee; wideawake; bcsco; taxed2death

“...there has to be some big “conspiracy” which was probably cooked up by “globalists” who were no doubt doing the bidding of the “Zionists.” Then again it could have all be Halliburton’s doing.”

Can’t you get anything right? You left out the neo-cons.


148 posted on 12/19/2007 9:59:15 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: mnehrling

“Who do you think is ultimately responsible for recruiting them and setting it all up?

Thanks for proving my point. There’s a big difference between being the big cheese.....and being the SOLE operator of an attack.


149 posted on 12/19/2007 9:59:51 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Ohioan

“He is “spot on,” in saying that we have no business waging war to change other people’s cultures.”

You don’t think we changed the ‘culture’ of Japan and Germany following WWII? We certainly do have the right to change the culture of any country who resorts to violence against us if no other reason than to make sure we don’t have to whip their butts a second time.


150 posted on 12/19/2007 10:01:56 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: DugwayDuke

I’m pretty sure that one of the Paulistinians recently informed me that a neo-con was nothing more than a globalist who supports Israel.


151 posted on 12/19/2007 10:02:08 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: taxed2death

But the Big Cheese is always the #1 target of any military action. If you cut off the head, the body dies. At the same time, if you injur the body enough, it dies as well. You shouldn’t go after one without the other.


152 posted on 12/19/2007 10:04:14 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: wagglebee

How often does he refer to statements like the ‘military/industrial complex’?


153 posted on 12/19/2007 10:05:47 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: 50mm
Ron Paul would let North Korea invade South Korea, China invade Taiwan and would have let Saddam have his way after the invasion of Kuwait.

We need to look again at defense treaty obligations and see if they are still valid. We had no no such treaty with Kuwait in 1990 and still came to their defense. With that being the case why do we have defense treaties at all?
154 posted on 12/19/2007 10:06:51 AM PST by JediHal (DON"T PANIC! (from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"))
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To: DugwayDuke
The Bush 2nd Inaugural Address did not limit the implications to those that you suggest.

Again, let George Washinton's admonitions in his Farewell Address, answer the arguments of the interventionists, in the precise context of the President's address:

George Washington's Answer To President Bush.

William Flax

155 posted on 12/19/2007 10:06:56 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: taxed2death
To quote you: "if one is to believe he is responsible for the 911 attacks and if one is to believe what he wrote

You flatly brought the question of OBL's "responsibility" for 9/11. The implication, of course, is that "others" were responsible.

Now you state: "I’m sure OBL had underlings (soldiers) and such at his disposal. Would you at least agree with that? Do you really think OBL did this all by himself?

Of course not. OBL did not act alone. The 19 hijackers, as well as others within his organization is testament to that. But this in no way removes him from responsibility.

Do you think that there is a human being alive today...let’s just use our own military as an example...ok?....who could come up with a plan....do all the recon needed, have all the pieces to the puzzle fit and execute an attack like that... without help from those under his command?

Again, of course not. But in your initial sentence you question his responsibility. And the fact he'd built an organization that carried out 9/11 does in no way mean others beyond that organization were implicit. But it doesn't rule that out, either.

You call me a nut? You're the nut for even getting into this discussion. You opened the door. I closed it on you. I suggest now you back off big time because you've not only dug yourself a hole, you're adding to it.

156 posted on 12/19/2007 10:07:34 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
My "compromise" is Duncan Hunter. I could "hold my nose" and vote for Fred. That's about as far down from libertarian "True North" as I'll go.

I see our war in the ME against Islamic fascism as a retaliatory war. We didn't start this. They did. None of the evidence I've seen to date, and I've seen a lot, leads me to any other conclusion. We either go there and destroy them, or we WILL get hit again here.

I don't like the way the war is being fought, but it still needs to be fought. Duncan, IMO, is the best man for the job.

157 posted on 12/19/2007 10:08:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Gondring
You think that OBL recruited, trained, etc., all those people himself??!?! REALLY?!?!

Nope. But the posts have been about a conspiracy beyond OBL's organization. So, which is it: MIHOP or LIHOP?

158 posted on 12/19/2007 10:11:01 AM PST by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: DugwayDuke

“You don’t think we changed the ‘culture’ of Japan and Germany following WWII? “

Nukes have a way of coalescing ones thoughts and making one more receptive to another POV.

LOL


159 posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:02 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: bcsco

“To quote you: “if one is to believe he is responsible for the 911 attacks and if one is to believe what he wrote

You flatly brought the question of OBL’s “responsibility” for 9/11. The implication, of course, is that “others” were responsible. “

Nonsense. Splitting hairs. You play a part in an attack you are culpable. No one man is an army. No one acted alone.

“I suggest now you back off big time because you’ve not only dug yourself a hole, you’re adding to it.”

Riiiiiiiighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.


160 posted on 12/19/2007 10:16:35 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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