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To: allmendream

==Textbooks? Please, once again you show just how abjectly ignorant of Science you are. There are very few textbooks in graduate Biology work.

Dearest Allmendream, several of my friends are scientists, with credentials you can only dream of. Indeed, one of them went through the PhD program at UC Berkeley in molecular and cell biology on a full-ride scholarship. And unlike you, he didn’t drop out. BTW, his work in the field of epigenetics convinced him that Darwinism is insufficient to explain the complexity of life. While at Berzerkeley, he even sent me a book by Soren Lovtrop entitled “Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth.” Have you read it? Trust me, it would do you good.

==By that rather shoddy definition there is little as far as a mechanism of Biological control that wouldn’t be a ‘code’. But underlying it all is the actual code in which a triplet codon specifies an amino acid.

You’re starting to catch on. Unfortunately, you are still trapped in your dusty biology textbooks. I’m not worried, you’ll come around in a decade or so.


103 posted on 12/20/2007 8:22:43 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: allmendream

PS When my friend went to Berkeley he was a committed atheist. When he left he was a committed theist. Go figure.


105 posted on 12/20/2007 8:34:35 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Appeal to authority all you want, I don’t care how many of the far less than 1% of Scientists who reject evolution through natural selection, plate tectonics, astrology, history, paleontology, geology and physics- and instead embrace your preferred model of a geocentric thousand year old universe. I have made reference to the data, there is no ‘code upon code’, it is a mechanism to turn on or off different genes which code for an amino acid sequence and it is in TRANSCRIPTION not TRANSLATION.

And I didn’t ‘drop out’; I got a Masters Degree. When you get an undergraduate degree, then go on to graduate school and defend your thesis you can join me in a good laugh about how we ‘dropped out’. Getting my Masters was a good financial decision at the time considering the glut of Molecular Biologist Phd’s, and the time needed to finish and then a few years earning ‘post-doc’ wages. I am not waving my credentials around, you are, and I am proud of my degree. If you ever received one I am sure you would be proud of it as well, maybe one of your friends can mail you one.

110 posted on 12/20/2007 8:46:35 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: GodGunsGuts; allmendream; Coyoteman
Dearest Allmendream, several of my friends are scientists, with credentials you can only dream of. Indeed, one of them went through the PhD program at UC Berkeley in molecular and cell biology on a full-ride scholarship. And unlike you, he didn’t drop out. BTW, his work in the field of epigenetics convinced him that Darwinism is insufficient to explain the complexity of life.

Gosh, it sure is amazing how almost every science-denying ranter here on FreeRepublic invariably has a friend/Uncle/dog who a) has "credentials you can only dream of" in exactly the field of science which the ranter currently finds himself at a disadvantage discussing, and b) after mastering that subject with a PhD (at the very least) with flying colors (or "on a full-ride scholarship"), etc., the friend/Uncle/goldfish just happens to have arrived at an expert opinion which flatly contradicts that of 99% of his scientific colleagues but just happens to fully vindicate everything the ranter has been trying to claim in his attacks on conventional science.

It's almost as amazing as the fact that these expert friends/Uncles/parakeets PhDs never manage to drop in for even a moment to grace us with their knowledge and demonstrate that they're not just a desperate bluff on the part of a science-denier who finds himself losing ground in an argument on a subject in which he's way out of his depth.

If I didn't know any better -- if it wasn't for the well known fact that anti-evolution folks never ever ever tell enormous whoppers without a hint of shame -- I might almost think that they were just making this stuff up.

Finally, if GGG was trying to impress anyone by using the phrase "full-ride scholarship", by making the implication that the alleged "friend" must have been some kind of genius to qualify for such a scholarship, I'd like to pass on what Paul Harvey calls, "the rest of the story..." The Department of Molecular and Cell Biology at Berkeley has 260 full-time students enrolled, and last year 230 of them (i.e., most of them) had what GGG calls a "full-ride scholarship", which the university calls "full tuition reimbursements" -- but not because they were whiz kids. It's because they were paying for their tuition by working for the university as research assistants (150 of them) or teaching assistants (80 of them)...

But hey, if your alleged friend actually exists and isn't too busy still paying off his tuition by slaving away for the university, have him/her/it drop on in and explain what insights they've gained on "Darwinism" from having just finished school. Those of us who have been extending our education for 30+ years beyond our science degrees would be grateful if it turned out that against all odds your friend turned out to be the first anti-evolutionist we'd met yet who actually knew what in the hell he was talking about for a change, and actually had a valid objection to evolutionary biology instead of the usual hand-waving and gasped exclamations of, "golly, that sure seems complex to little old me!"

It would be a refreshing alternative to talking to you guys.

117 posted on 12/20/2007 11:12:08 PM PST by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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