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To: ex-Texan; All
Just another betrayal of America in a very long list. Dare I say the “T Word?” The word rhymes with reason but is not reasonable — It is foul conduct most high.

Not one of you points out one of the crucial reasons illegal immigration is overlooked: the New Deal programs will have to be funded somehow! The birthrates of non-immigrant American females is at a non-replenishment rate; many illegal immigrants do pay into Social Security through fraudulent SSNs without ever becoming eligible for benefits; and the surplus money collected from overtaxtion via the payroll's FICA has already been spent (THERE IS NO LOCKBOX, IT'S AN ACCOUNTING GIMMICK!)

If you folks who care about border security would concentrate just a fraction of your energies to entitlement reform, showing similar outrage at the federal government, the single biggest economic factor [funding entitlements into the future] that causes our Representatives and Senators to "look the other way" at the immigration problem, might just fix itself.

So, the fact that none of you points this out is foul and shows a lack of understanding as to what the underlying motives are in this whole issue.

7 posted on 12/19/2007 2:42:29 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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To: LowCountryJoe

I would have to respectfully disagree with your analysis, especially your suggestion we are “foul” in our ignorance. New Deal entitlements certainly merit attention and subsequent action; Yet if they were gone tomorrow, illegals would continue to pour across the borders. If you believe this would prompt Congress to then secure the borders, then perhaps you have a fundamental misunderstanding of liberals and American-hating leftists. You have also miscalculated the thirst for slave labor on both sides of the political fence. I Like that you have a different approach, but I don’t see as it would solve anything. Using the basic premise of your argument, one could suggest the 50 million murders since Roe vs Wade was as culpable, if not more so, than entitlements. I certainly can agree pro-abortion laws and entitlements both warrant not only change, but complete termination. I am just not sure either would be as crucial in solving border security as you seem to think.


9 posted on 12/19/2007 3:12:32 AM PST by WildcatClan (Vote Hunter for President)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Hey, Michael Kinsley, you are on the wrong forum. You should be on the DU.

First of all, the laws are already on the books. Tell me the difference between the New Deal programs of your masters and the UN programs of your masters.

The birthrates of non-immigrant American females is at a non-replenishment rate...

So which country would you prefer to move to, India or Switzerland? Maybe you are just waiting for America to look like the Houston freeway after hurricane's Rita where it took hours and hours to travel 5 miles. So your idea of America is to stack people on top of each other. When do you stop replenishing? How many people to the acre?

many illegal immigrants do pay into Social Security through fraudulent SSNs without ever becoming eligible for benefits; and the surplus money collected from overtaxtion via the payroll's FICA has already been spent (THERE IS NO LOCKBOX, IT'S AN ACCOUNTING GIMMICK!)

Duh! Are you sure?????????I guess you want us to have a whine party for the pooor illegal immigrant who steals someones social security cards and has money cut from his paycheck. The poor baby. Just think money cut from the illegal aliens paycheck to pay for other illegal aliens free health care, free education, free food stamps, etc. The shame of it all.

If you folks who care about border security would concentrate just a fraction of your energies to entitlement reform, showing similar outrage at the federal government, the single biggest economic factor [funding entitlements into the future] that causes our Representatives and Senators to "look the other way" at the immigration problem, might just fix itself.

For your information, entitlements were here long before NAFTA and we didn't have the problem we are now having today. NAFTA is the program or agreement that should be skuttled. It has been 14 years since NAFTA has been signed into law and it continues to be a failure. I'll even bet that $1.5 billion for the Mexico war on drugs is included in this spending bill. If NAFTA is so great, then why is the US having to give Mexico money?

If you folks who care about border security would concentrate just a fraction of your energies to entitlement reform, showing similar outrage at the federal government, the single biggest economic factor [funding entitlements into the future] that causes our Representatives and Senators to "look the other way" at the immigration problem, might just fix itself.

As long as NAFTA is on the books, illegal immigration will remain the problem of entitlements. Hey, even the Bushes wants to give Mexico social security. I am sure you agree with that as it will mean opening up more offices in Mexico. More trade. Hooray, hooray. Yea, look the other way. That is what you free traders want. You show a lack of understanding of what the true problem is in this issue. Read the NAFTA agreement and you will find that it is the biggest entitlement program ever.

25 posted on 12/19/2007 7:43:40 AM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: LowCountryJoe

Immigration is not going to fix out entitlement programs. In fact, it will make them worse. Even immigrants grow old.


47 posted on 12/22/2007 6:51:12 AM PST by kabar
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