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To: LowCountryJoe
Hey, Michael Kinsley, you are on the wrong forum. You should be on the DU.

First of all, the laws are already on the books. Tell me the difference between the New Deal programs of your masters and the UN programs of your masters.

The birthrates of non-immigrant American females is at a non-replenishment rate...

So which country would you prefer to move to, India or Switzerland? Maybe you are just waiting for America to look like the Houston freeway after hurricane's Rita where it took hours and hours to travel 5 miles. So your idea of America is to stack people on top of each other. When do you stop replenishing? How many people to the acre?

many illegal immigrants do pay into Social Security through fraudulent SSNs without ever becoming eligible for benefits; and the surplus money collected from overtaxtion via the payroll's FICA has already been spent (THERE IS NO LOCKBOX, IT'S AN ACCOUNTING GIMMICK!)

Duh! Are you sure?????????I guess you want us to have a whine party for the pooor illegal immigrant who steals someones social security cards and has money cut from his paycheck. The poor baby. Just think money cut from the illegal aliens paycheck to pay for other illegal aliens free health care, free education, free food stamps, etc. The shame of it all.

If you folks who care about border security would concentrate just a fraction of your energies to entitlement reform, showing similar outrage at the federal government, the single biggest economic factor [funding entitlements into the future] that causes our Representatives and Senators to "look the other way" at the immigration problem, might just fix itself.

For your information, entitlements were here long before NAFTA and we didn't have the problem we are now having today. NAFTA is the program or agreement that should be skuttled. It has been 14 years since NAFTA has been signed into law and it continues to be a failure. I'll even bet that $1.5 billion for the Mexico war on drugs is included in this spending bill. If NAFTA is so great, then why is the US having to give Mexico money?

If you folks who care about border security would concentrate just a fraction of your energies to entitlement reform, showing similar outrage at the federal government, the single biggest economic factor [funding entitlements into the future] that causes our Representatives and Senators to "look the other way" at the immigration problem, might just fix itself.

As long as NAFTA is on the books, illegal immigration will remain the problem of entitlements. Hey, even the Bushes wants to give Mexico social security. I am sure you agree with that as it will mean opening up more offices in Mexico. More trade. Hooray, hooray. Yea, look the other way. That is what you free traders want. You show a lack of understanding of what the true problem is in this issue. Read the NAFTA agreement and you will find that it is the biggest entitlement program ever.

25 posted on 12/19/2007 7:43:40 AM PST by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: texastoo
Hey, Michael Kinsley, you are on the wrong forum.

I've been here since November 2003 and make contributions both with commentary and financially, with contributions. Are you sure? And why are you calling me Michael Kinsley? Shall I dig through your past to see how many times you have posted links or editorials from a known Leftist? Do you really want to play that game with me?

You should be on the DU.

Okay! They'd punt me off of their site the instant they discovered how much I embrace limited government, markets, capitalism, etc. But you wouldn't know much about that particular strain of conservative [libertarianism], would you? It's foreign to you.

First of all, the laws are already on the books. Tell me the difference between the New Deal programs of your masters and the UN programs of your masters.

What are you talking about here?

So your idea of America is to stack people on top of each other. When do you stop replenishing? How many people to the acre?

Dude, shut your pie hole until you've read these two links, here and here. If after you read from two sources you still want to perpetuate your ignorance, I'd be glad to listen to it...and laugh my ass off afterward!

I guess you want us to have a whine party for the pooor illegal immigrant who steals someones social security cards and has money cut from his paycheck.

No whine from me, I don't want illegals on the dole. But then again, I don't particularly care to see American citizens on the dole, either.

For your information, entitlements were here long before NAFTA and we didn't have the problem we are now having today.

So, you still have a soft spot for entitlements just because we have had them for so long: yes or no?

It has been 14 years since NAFTA has been signed into law and it continues to be a failure.

In what ways: lower economic output, lower real total compensation per worker, higher unemployment, lower standard of living, more foreign-made goods on shelfs that your neighbor might wish to purchase? Which is it?

I am sure you agree with that as it will mean opening up more offices in Mexico.

Really? Are you sure that you're sure?

More trade. Hooray, hooray.

But of course! Trade is economic activity and means that trading partners are each finding value in their transactions. Is there celebration in your house when there's less economic activity and less satisfaction because there's less choices that produce less value than in the past? It's a fair question.

You show a lack of understanding of what the true problem is in this issue.

Do I now?! Well, I eagerly await your reply so that you can shed some light on where my understanding is lacking.

Ta ta for now.

33 posted on 12/19/2007 2:09:51 PM PST by LowCountryJoe (I'm a Paleo-liberal: I believe in freedom; am socially independent and a borderline fiscal anarchist)
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