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The true enemy: human tribalism
National Post ^
| 18 Dec 2007
| Jonathan Kay
Posted on 12/18/2007 11:37:23 AM PST by BGHater
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:37:25 AM PST
by
BGHater
To: BGHater
The west still has it’s practitioners of tribal behavior, they’re called “gangs.”
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:40:33 AM PST
by
The_Victor
(If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
To: BGHater
Excellent article.
Who makes breaking us all into ever smaller tribes but Libs/Socialists/Communists?
Breaking humanity into ever smaller tribes (groups) is their number one tactic and it is the one upon which their fundamental philosophy is based - envy and jealousy as sacraments.
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:42:59 AM PST
by
Carbonado
To: BGHater
The issue is not tribalism versus individualism. Tribalism an clanishness flourish in low-trust societies that lack social capital. Individualism can flouish in societies with a high degree of trust and social capital. Why? Because you can’t go it alone in societies where strangers cannot be trusted. You have to stick with your clan/extended family/tribe.
So where do trust and social capital come from? Religion, particularly protestant Christianity. By fostering the attitudes of trust, reciprocity, and fairness the Calvinist/Protestant world made it safe for large groups of strangers to coordinate their actions and do things like form corporations and democratic institutions.
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:43:50 AM PST
by
Jibaholic
("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
To: BGHater
Democracy requires consensus-building and shared values. But in tribal societies, politics is viewed as a battle of all-against-all, in which the strongest tribe openly appropriates the state apparatus to enrich itself at everyone else's expense.
WHAT? A TRIBE is a socio-political organization of families, clans or groups of people sharing a common ancestry. Tribal societies don't necessarily go all-against-all, and in fact many of the South American Indian tribes that still exist, CO-EXIST peacefully as long as one does not raid the other, or commit some "sin" against the other. Then the tribes call for action and generally both the offending tribe and the one the offense was committed against AGREE on the method of punishment......
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:43:58 AM PST
by
Rick.Donaldson
(http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
To: The_Victor
The west still has its practitioners of tribal behavior, theyre called gangs.And multicultural victim groups.
To: BGHater
But it does come back to our view of God and what He wants for us.
In our society, in our form of government, the underlying principle is that God has created us all equal and endowed us with unalienable rights that give us precisely the freedom you talk about. In Chrstendom, the principle is one of free will.
The radical Islamics believe in no such thing. They believe that God hjas instructed them to use force and compulsion. Adhere, conform, or die (or be enslaved).
These diverging fundamental, foundational principles to the two societies and how God is viewed being behind those principles is what leads to the plural, free society we have, and what maintains the tribal, tyranical, leader-oriented societies that they try to maintain.
But that is just my opinion.
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:44:50 AM PST
by
Jeff Head
(Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
To: Jeff Head
They believe that God hjas instructed them to use force and compulsion. Adhere, conform, or die (or be enslaved). Which is precisely why we should treat islam in the same manner we treated Nazism, Italian fascism, and Japanese Imperial militarism. Namely by destroying it utterly.
But that's just my opinion.
L
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:47:41 AM PST
by
Lurker
(Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
To: ModelBreaker
Bingo. Read Ayn Rand’s “The Return of the Primitive.” She had this trend nailed 30 years ago.
To: The_Victor
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:50:06 AM PST
by
Paladin2
(Huma for co-president!)
To: Hoffer Rand
Was that a book? I thought I had read every book she wrote by the time I was 18.
To: BGHater
I have been preaching this for a long time. Tribalism is the ultimate bigotry, claiming a superior position for a small band of people who must constantly oppress, bully, and posture to maintain that position.
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:50:46 AM PST
by
SlowBoat407
(Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
To: Rick.Donaldson
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:50:48 AM PST
by
BGHater
(If Guns Cause Crime Then Matches Cause Arson?)
To: BGHater
An intractably tribal outlook also makes Western-style democracy impossible
Yeah, so quit nagging Pakistan to adopt democracy overnight, all you State Dept hags. And don't dump an Iranian monarch because his nation isn't democratic, Jimmy Carter. Shoving democracy on some countries can be disastrous.
Arabs often have "tribal names", i.e. al-somethingrather after their first and middle name. A common tribal name in the former Iraqi regime was al-Tikriti. That was Saddam's tribal name, but many mistake his last name to be Hussein, because in the early 90s the Iraqi gov't declared that officials weren't to use their tribal names. Either that or they use bin xxx, like bin Laden; bin = son of in Arabic. They don't have true last names, rather names that indicate which tribe or clan they come from.
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:52:07 AM PST
by
G8 Diplomat
(Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
To: ModelBreaker
Yes, cowritten with Peter Schwartz, published in 1999 by Schwartz, but the majority of the writing is hers from the 1970s. It’s excellent and nails the problems with multiculturalism dead to rights.
To: Jibaholic
you’ve been reading....interesting insights
but don’t forget.....all cultures are relative and just as smart too...dadburnit
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posted on
12/18/2007 11:58:00 AM PST
by
wardaddy
(I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice.)
To: Jibaholic
‘The issue is not tribalism versus individualism. Tribalism an clanishness flourish in low-trust societies that lack social capital. Individualism can flouish in societies with a high degree of trust and social capital. Why? Because you cant go it alone in societies where strangers cannot be trusted. You have to stick with your clan/extended family/tribe.’
You perfectly described Prison.
A great example of why the individuals breakdown into different ‘tribes’ to survive.
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posted on
12/18/2007 12:00:45 PM PST
by
BGHater
(If Guns Cause Crime Then Matches Cause Arson?)
To: BGHater
If you instead see a woman primarily as a low-status breeding agent of her patriarch's clan, everything changes.... and, CAIR would have us believe, for the better.
What a steaming pile of crap ..
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posted on
12/18/2007 12:00:53 PM PST
by
tx_eggman
("Believing without loving turns the best of creeds into a weapon of oppression" Eugene Peterson)
To: BGHater
Ping for tribalism, must read.
To: BGHater
I highly recommend Lee Harris book
The Suicide of Reason. He makes a convincing case why tribalism, which encompases fanaticism and a willingness to die for the tribe and its beliefs, may have a long term survival advantage compared to the individualistic societies of the West.
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posted on
12/18/2007 12:04:00 PM PST
by
ZeitgeistSurfer
(Irimiru Karabrao! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cloverfield Hoboken wgah'nagl fhtagn.)
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