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To: Raycpa
We would need it more than ever.

Ok I'll play along. Now care to explain to me how her AG is gonna stop her from using these powers for her own purposes? Will the FBI director? Did everyone in this forum forget what happened between 1993 and 2001 with abuses of power. No security NONE is worth the price of giving up rights and freedoms across the board.

There are some noted exceptions such as persons in DOD jobs who in the past 65 years on their own gave up rights for such things as the Manhattan Project. That was their choice however.

The WOT has been used by Bush to do everything the man can think of then some. We survived as a nation 200 plus years without this insanity of surrendering rights for security. You want security against terrorism? Arm citizens even on commercial planes. Is Bush gonna allow it? No. Not even the plane crews have gotten that far now have they? WOT my eye!

The biggest threat to us now is the ones we are allowing to shred The Constitution of the United States and create Faux programs, agencies, and laws outside the bounds of the Constitution. Even Liberals will cheer it on.

The biggest act and the most important one which has stopped terrorist attacks has not been new laws or programs. It happened on 9/11 in the skies over Pennsylvania. That is how Americans must deal with terrorist threats. Not by fear or surrendering rights and freedoms for security it is a poor deal with the devil and he still calls the dance.

24 posted on 12/17/2007 6:58:15 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: cva66snipe

What about all of the other plots which have been broken up since?


26 posted on 12/17/2007 7:28:41 PM PST by furquhart (John S. McCain for President)
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To: cva66snipe

I think your own argument destroys itself. If Clintons didn’t act within the law then why worry about what the law says?


27 posted on 12/17/2007 7:29:40 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: cva66snipe
The WOT has been used by Bush to do everything the man can think of then some. We survived as a nation 200 plus years without this insanity of surrendering rights for security."

Yeah well for 135 years we didn't have a phone in every house and for 215 years we didn't have cell phones. Now we not only have cell phones outnumbering landlines but throw away phones available in every community.

When foreign calls from suspected terrorists in terrorist-harboring countries call we don't always have the time.

41 posted on 12/17/2007 8:18:21 PM PST by torchthemummy (“America Will Not Reject Abortion Until America Sees Abortion” -Father Frank Pavone)
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To: cva66snipe

“The biggest act and the most important one which has stopped terrorist attacks has not been new laws or programs. It happened on 9/11 in the skies over Pennsylvania.”

And that worked out so well for the passengers.

I’d suggest you start stocking water, canned goods and ammo and convert your paper money into gold, then lock yourself in a closet.


72 posted on 12/18/2007 4:16:40 AM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss..)
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To: cva66snipe

Well said! I just don’t understand how anyone on FR can trust Hillary Clinton with this authority. And my own conscience says if I can’t trust Clinton then NO MAN or WOMAN should have this power. Period.


77 posted on 12/18/2007 6:01:56 AM PST by mosquitobite (The penalty for refusing to participate in politics is you end up being governed by your inferiors)
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