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To: cva66snipe
The WOT has been used by Bush to do everything the man can think of then some. We survived as a nation 200 plus years without this insanity of surrendering rights for security."

Yeah well for 135 years we didn't have a phone in every house and for 215 years we didn't have cell phones. Now we not only have cell phones outnumbering landlines but throw away phones available in every community.

When foreign calls from suspected terrorists in terrorist-harboring countries call we don't always have the time.

41 posted on 12/17/2007 8:18:21 PM PST by torchthemummy (“America Will Not Reject Abortion Until America Sees Abortion” -Father Frank Pavone)
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To: torchthemummy
Yeah well for 135 years we didn't have a phone in every house and for 215 years we didn't have cell phones. Now we not only have cell phones outnumbering landlines but throw away phones available in every community. When foreign calls from suspected terrorists in terrorist-harboring countries call we don't always have the time.

Tell me something. Are you any more dead by say 200 years ago causing a stampede through town killing people? The threat of violence is as old as Cain and Abel so are attacks by the weapon of the age. Name me one government that has suceeded in stopping it. The only workable solution is well armed and free citizens.

46 posted on 12/17/2007 8:36:52 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: torchthemummy

Technology is no defense against the US Constitution.

We monitor millions of communications more than we can actually use. The idea we might use the concept that there are more communications than we can intercept as the reason why ALL communications are subject to intercept is, well, anti-American.

The US Constitution trumps all.


50 posted on 12/17/2007 8:57:47 PM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: torchthemummy

The government can get the warrants *retroactively* up to three days later. I simply don’t understand why this program is even needed—it’s certainly not a matter of taking the time to get the warrant.

I’m constantly amazed at some of the opinions here. Do we really want Hillary or Hussein to have this power?


61 posted on 12/18/2007 2:11:12 AM PST by TINS
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To: torchthemummy; cva66snipe

Yeah well for 135 years we didn’t have a phone in every house and for 215 years we didn’t have cell phones. Now we not only have cell phones outnumbering landlines but throw away phones available in every community.

Not to forget fax machines, electronic text messaging, TTY phones, Voip, computer to computer, email, and at least a zillion other ways for bad guys to communicate with themselves.

The real challenge is how to best monitor in real time, all those methods within the bounds of Constitutional Rights and freedoms as the founders understood it. A most difficult, and I might add life and nation threatening dilemma.


66 posted on 12/18/2007 3:12:12 AM PST by wita
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