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1 posted on 12/17/2007 9:27:47 AM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

must read later.


2 posted on 12/17/2007 9:30:18 AM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Rothbard-Paul vision was rightly defeated during the Cold War. Now that the Cold War is over, it seems not only fair but wise to give it another hearing--and if it can't be defeated on the merits, it deserves to win.

This is quite interesting. They were proven wrong, so we should give them another chance. The Rothbard vision of the lack of danger the Soviets posed sounds very much like Paul's denial of the danger islamic terrorism poses. It seems very appropriate that Ron Paul has a picture of Rothbard in his office.

3 posted on 12/17/2007 9:32:44 AM PST by mnehring
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To: lormand; wideawake; ejonesie22; Allegra
This one is worth reading. It may be a rah rah for the Paulvestites, but if you read into it, it is very damning to Paul’s vision.
4 posted on 12/17/2007 9:33:29 AM PST by mnehring
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To: West Coast Conservative
Can hardly wait until this primary season is over so we can stop hearing about that dimwit Ron Paul. His comments about the veterans of the Vietnam War and this war were enough to ban anyone from normal society.

His rabid rabble aren't normal society, it would seem.

5 posted on 12/17/2007 9:36:39 AM PST by USMCVet
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To: West Coast Conservative

Ask any of the Paulies who they consider the greater threat, the terrorists or the US government. Most will answer the US government.


6 posted on 12/17/2007 9:45:41 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul - building a bridge to the 19th century.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“The thus-far invincible aggressiveness of the Soviet Union does or does not constitute a threat to the security of the United States, and we have got to decide which.”

Stalin’s U.S.S.R. was already working to influence American politics, policy, education, entertainment, etc.

Did it pose a “threat” to US Security? Was any harm done by spies handing the Soviets the secrets to the atomic bomb?

The “non-intervention” policy only works when BOTH sides agree not to exert influence.

7 posted on 12/17/2007 9:46:16 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Too bad there aren’t any freepers up to Jonah’s challenge.


8 posted on 12/17/2007 9:47:32 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Very good, informative, educational article by Johah Goldberg. Thanks for posting.


13 posted on 12/17/2007 9:53:17 AM PST by PGalt
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To: West Coast Conservative

Facinating read. An article which both supports and bashes Run Paul.


17 posted on 12/17/2007 10:09:43 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triagle of death)
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To: West Coast Conservative

There has always been a pacifist strain to libertarian domestic policy (government is violence). Why should foreign policy be different? One answer might be: because it is different. The international arena simply isn't a liberal polity where concepts such as contracts and property rights apply as they do in, say, Cleveland. To treat the world as just another sphere of liberalism is a category error.

Contracts and property rights enforcement is a legitimate function of government for all but anarchists and such. Because we really don't want a World Government (I think it is a strong consensus here), who is going to be an "enforcer" in the world? History developed the way that this role fell largely on the United States. Even when we do nothing a threat of our possible action has a pacifying effect. I see no alternative that has 1) muscles to do it and 2) I can trust. Maybe one out of two, but not two together.

Another 2 good articles on the non-interventionism:


18 posted on 12/17/2007 10:33:11 AM PST by Tolik
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One irony of the Bush years is the Left's sudden--and convenient--interest in the Founders' intent. It seems no Democrat can refrain from invoking Ben Franklin's hoary maxim that "those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." Whatever happened to the "living Constitution"? Apparently abortion and gay rights require unlimited elasticity and penumbrae galore, while transnational terrorists seeking nuclear bombs are protected by the Left's conception of "original intent."

Penumbrae galore?

Bwahahahaha

20 posted on 12/17/2007 10:48:59 AM PST by NeoCaveman (No handshows - Fred Dalton Thompson for President 2008, take that Nurse Rached debate moderator lady)
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The problem with too many libertarians is that their ideology blinds them to common sense.

Case in point. Ask libertarians if they think roads and bridges should be privately owned. Many — perhaps most — will say yes.

Now think about that for a minute. Private ownership makes sense in industries where competition is natural. If you don’t like Crest toothpaste, you can buy Colgate. But what if some private company owns the roads surrounding your home?

The roads can be regulated, of course. Oh, but wait a minute. Libertarians are allergic to government regulation of private industry. So that means the private company can essentially hold you hostage in your own home. What’s to keep them from charging you whatever they see fit — or simply not letting you use their roads at all if they so desire?

That’s the problem. Common sense informs normal people that roads should not be privately owned (except perhaps in very limited cases where plenty of alternatives exist). But an alarming percentage of libertarians can’t see the obvious problem.

If they can’t see something as simple as that, what are the chances they will have a sensible foreign policy?


25 posted on 12/17/2007 10:39:50 PM PST by RussP
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