Posted on 12/17/2007 4:02:56 AM PST by Kaslin
Indeed.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to disect Mormonism, especially when they claim to be Christians.
So let's have a look at Romney's religion and how it will influence his decisions as president.
broncobilly's post on a previous thread provides a good start:
| Abstract theology is not as important as how that theology is meant to translate into public positions. For example: 1) Romney’s religion believes in God, and therefore that man’e sovereignty comes from God, not government. And I agree, We should be more interested in Romney living up to the ideals of his religion rather than dismissing him because of his religion. 16 posted on 11/13/2007 2:36:00 PM CST by broncobilly
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To this list, I will add some other LDS teachings:
8) We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. (AOF 11)
9) We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. (AOF 12)
10) We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. (AOF 13)
11) We do not believe that human law has a right to interfere in prescribing rules of worship to bind the consciences of men, nor dictate forms for public or private devotion; that the civil magistrate should restrain crime, but never control conscience; should punish guilt, but never suppress the freedom of the soul. (D&C 134:4)
12) We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy. (D&C 134:7)
This may also be of interest for general information about the LDS Church: Faith, Family, Facts, & Fruits by LDS Apostle M. Russell Ballard.
BTW, My current preference is #1: Hunter, #2: Thompson, #3: Romney. In my opinion, these are the only candidates who are right on "most" of the important issues.
Seeing as how the Vote-for-Jesus crowd is currently supporting Mike Huckabee, forgive me if I consider their dissecting abilities a little suspect.
You being correct doen’t mean I’m not right.
Who cares about Romney’s religion? I care about the fact that he’s a RINO flip-flopper who I don’t trust on the issues.
So, vote for the RINO or else. Just forget too that he got to be a RINO in some part because of his Mormon beliefs, as did his Dad.
This crap isn't flying here. Romney has a record and on social issues it is as liberal as any candidate in the race.
The Mitt Wit on abortion:
"Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.' " (NOTE: Romney has supported abortion since before the 1972 Roe v. Wade ruling!) - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006
In 2002, Romney responded to the National Abortion Rights Action League's candidate survey: ''I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights." Notably, Romney refused to answer the candidate questionnaire sent to him by Massachusetts Citizens for Life. - Boston Globe, 7/3/2005
"Romney, a Republican and the former Winter Olympics chief, was endorsed by the New York-based Republican Pro-Choice Coalition. He mentioned his mother, Lenore Romney, who favored abortion rights when she ran for the U.S. Senate in 1970, even before the 1973 Roe v. Wade case affirmed women's constitutional right to abortions. . . . Lynn Grefe, director of the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, applauded Romney's 'commitment to family planning and protecting a woman's right to choose' in a letter on Wednesday." - Associated Press / New Bedford Standard-Times 10/3/2002
During the 2002 governor's race, Romney's platform stated, "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's." - Romney's 2002 campaign website
Willard on homosexual "rights":
"The state LCR [Log Cabin Republican Club] worked with Romney's unsuccessful campaign to unseat U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy in 1994. Romney won the LCR endorsement primarily based on his support for the federal Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), a pro-gay piece of legislation that at the time had little Republican support." - Bay Windows, 10/24/2002
"There will be children born to same-sex couples, and adopted by same-sax couples, and I believe that there should be rights and privileges associated with those unions and with the children that are part of those unions." On another occasion, his spokesman "declined to state Romney's position on whether homosexual couples should be allowed to adopt, and declined to say whether the governor opposes gay adoptions." - State House press conference, 6/15/2005 - Boston Globe, 3/2/2006
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said yesterday he was ready to work with lawmakers to craft a "civil union"-style law to give some marriage rights to homosexual couples, even though he also supports a constitutional amendment to preserve traditional marriage . . . Mr. Romney yesterday told TV news stations that he would support a Vermont-style civil union law in Massachusetts, but reiterated his support for a constitutional amendment that would clarify that "marriage is an institution between a man and a woman." - Washington Times, 11/20/2003
Despite the over 2,500 pedophilia cases now on record involving homosexual scout leaders, Romney stated, "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation." In the same article, a BSA official criticized Romney for opposing Scout policy. - Boston Globe, 10/27/1994
The Mitt Wit's record on judicial appointments:
Romney told the U.S. Senate on June 22, 2004, that the "real threat to the States is not the constitutional amendment process, in which the states participate, but activist judges who disregard the law and redefine marriage . . ." Romney sounds tough but yet he had no qualms advancing the legal career of one of the leading anti-marriage attorneys. He nominated Stephen Abany to a District Court. Abany has been a key player in the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association which, in its own words, is "dedicated to ensuring that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision on marriage equality is upheld, and that any anti-gay amendment or legislation is defeated." Press release from governor's office 5/4/2005 - U.S. Senate testimony by Gov. Mitt Romney, 6/22/2004
"Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found. Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show. In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters, and 14 registered Democrats." - Boston Globe 7/25/2005
Ping
And what is his attitute about military service?
I can see when liberals mistake when someone changes his or her mind of how heor she felt about something 5 or 13 years ago with flip flopping. They are after all ignorant, but when a conservative like you does, I am amazed.
huh?
Why should you be amazed? Willard didn't change his position on abortion gradually over 5 or 13 years - He changed it abruptly around the middle of 2005, i.e. less than 3 years ago. He appears to have did an abrupt about-face on the issue at right about the time he started thinking about running for President as a Republican, and realised that being radically pro-choice was going to be a no-go in the Republican primaries. Hence, he's a flip-flop - he adopted political positions based on convenience, not on principle.
huh? Show me were he said what 6 or 3 month ago that is the same as what he said 13 or 5 years ago
Did he change his mind from one one week to the next and back again? No
Why would I need to do that? Did you read my previous post?
That's it, you're right, I'm going to vote for Mitt now!
/not
Today he does, four years ago he was pro-choice, pro sanctuary state, anti nra, ......
Sorry willard ya gotta go, it aint about being a Mormon its about being a spineless panderer..
Yup just keep calling people who are Christian conservative ‘the awful vote for Jesus Crowd’...
ANd folks wonder why the Regan coalition is splintering..
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