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Women's sacrifices, taken to the extreme (Euthanasia)
Baltimore Sun ^ | 12/16/07 | Susan Reimer

Posted on 12/16/2007 1:06:27 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

As an aside to the euthanasia debate, let me present the horror as it exists today.

Institutional corridors full of aged, mostly mentally incapacitated women in wheelchairs, staring blankly at the painted brick wall opposite them, or sleeping. This is what exists today.

This is NOT to say that euthanasia does anything more than murder such women. Just that we desperately need something better than what we have, not to just argue whether a living death is better than a real death.

Isn’t there something better we can do?

Neither of those alternatives is acceptable. Both of them are so awful it would be worth it to run away while you still could, just so you won’t be trapped in that hideous either-or proposition. Either living death or euthanasia.

That is an intolerable choice.


21 posted on 12/16/2007 1:45:01 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Oratam

I fear that you are quite possibly correct. It should also be noted that there is one huge reason for the financial issues that the nation is facing as the Baby Boomers age and that is ABORTION.

When the most selfish generation in the history of mankind made the decision to kill 50 MILLION children, they created a serious crisis for Ponzi schemes like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.


22 posted on 12/16/2007 1:45:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Oratam

Experience shows that the people demanding legalized euthanasia aren’t the same people it’s used on.


23 posted on 12/16/2007 1:47:19 PM PST by BykrBayb (In memory of my Friend T'wit, who taught me much. ~ Þ)
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To: Popocatapetl

The problem is selfishness in society that has allowed people to become indifferent to the fate of their elderly parents, grandparents and relatives.


24 posted on 12/16/2007 1:47:47 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I firmly believe that euthanasia should remain illegal.

However, there is a reason that no physician has ever been convicted of a crime for administering narcotics or barbiturates to a person in the agonal stage of the end-of-life process.

wagglebee, do you understand why that is, and are you content with it?

25 posted on 12/16/2007 1:48:24 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Oratam

From what I’ve seen, there’s a lot of talk out of some who are younger than the boomers to lower the level of medical care for elderly boomers to help us along our way.


26 posted on 12/16/2007 1:50:10 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: JimSEA

There aren’t even enough pain pills given out today. And lack of pain pills may hasten acceptances of euthenasia. If anything, pain management will consist of a referral to a meditation guru and a packet of suicide pills.


27 posted on 12/16/2007 1:51:54 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: utherdoul
As far as I can determine, in the current thinking, it would be the decision of the state to determine whose life was "worth living."

This determination would be made by people exercising the same intellectual integrity shown by employees of the Registry of Motor Vehicles.

But beyond this, how is it that the government is determined to be the arbiter of this issue at all?

Only a socialist (communist on training wheels) would even presume that the government had any role at all in the issue (their point: because "we're all paying for it.")

Collectivism is the most profound present-day evil imaginable.

28 posted on 12/16/2007 1:52:55 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: wagglebee
In Bergner's article, Wolf also talked about the literary and cultural traditions of suicides by women, going back to Sophocles' Antigone and Shakespeare's Ophelia.

does it say anywhere here that, though girls may try to "commit suicide" more often, boys are more successful? that statistically males are more likely to actually complete the act than females?

this is, once again, the same ole pity party for females.

29 posted on 12/16/2007 1:53:11 PM PST by wildwood
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To: wagglebee
When the most selfish generation in the history of mankind made the decision to kill 50 MILLION children, they created a serious crisis for Ponzi schemes like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.

Think all 50 million abortions are to be laid on the doorstep of boomers? How many boomers were on the court that gave us Roe? Know which current members of SCOTUS are boomers?

30 posted on 12/16/2007 1:56:46 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: wildwood

Once the gals get help from doctors, you think their “success” rate won’t go up?


31 posted on 12/16/2007 1:58:47 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: wagglebee
World to end in 30 minutes. Women and minorities hardest hit.

Wolf did not limit her fears of vulnerability to women. She expressed concerns for minorities, too.

32 posted on 12/16/2007 2:04:26 PM PST by DManA
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To: GoLightly

I’m not talking about the leftist judges who allowed it, I’m talking about the selfish women who had the abortions.


33 posted on 12/16/2007 2:08:43 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Noble
However, there is a reason that no physician has ever been convicted of a crime for administering narcotics or barbiturates to a person in the agonal stage of the end-of-life process.

And I think that this comes down to intent, do the doctors intend to relieve pain or cause death? There is a great deal of difference.

34 posted on 12/16/2007 2:10:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

However, the culture of death sees euthanasia as a “duty”.

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The right to control one’s reproduction has become a **duty**. Just ask any woman about the looks and comments she receives when in a supermarket line with 3, 4 or more children.


35 posted on 12/16/2007 2:14:55 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wagglebee

However, the culture of death sees euthanasia as a "duty".

Just like Islam and suicide bombings. Scary.
36 posted on 12/16/2007 2:15:42 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: wagglebee

Physician-assisted suicide

Women and children hardest hit


37 posted on 12/16/2007 2:17:54 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: wintertime

Good point.


38 posted on 12/16/2007 2:18:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I’m not talking about the leftist judges who allowed it, I’m talking about the selfish women who had the abortions.

If you think the only women that have ever had them were boomers, then by all means, lay all of the abortions on the doorstep of the boomers.

39 posted on 12/16/2007 2:21:42 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: wagglebee
There is a great deal of difference

Most of the time, yes. Not always.

Double effect is great for college bull sessions and ethics manuals.

Sometimes (and it's rare), the morphine puts an end to an intolerable situation.

I think the compromise of criminal liability with a jury as fact-finder has worked out quite well, and shouldn't be changed.

40 posted on 12/16/2007 2:22:24 PM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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