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Democrats assess Hill damage, leadership (That shouldn't take long, look at your "leadership")
AP on Yahoo ^ | 12/16/07 | Charles Babington - ap

Posted on 12/16/2007 11:22:45 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Congressional Democrats will have plenty to ponder during the Christmas-New Year recess. For instance, why did things go so badly this fall, and how well did their leaders serve them?

Partisan players will quarrel for months, but objective analysts say the debate must start here: An embattled president made extraordinary use of his veto power and he was backed by GOP lawmakers who may have put their political fortunes at risk.

Also, a new Democratic leadership team overestimated the impact of the Iraq war and the 2006 elections, learning too late they had no tools to force Bush and his allies to compromise on bitterly contested issues.

Both parties seem convinced that voters will reward them 11 months from now. And they agree that Congress' gridlock and frustration are likely to continue until then — and possibly beyond — unless the narrow party margins in the House and Senate change appreciably.

In a string of setbacks last week, Democratic leaders in Congress yielded to Bush and his GOP allies on Iraqi war funding, tax and health policies, energy policy and spending decisions affecting billions of dollars throughout the government.

The concessions stunned many House and Senate Democrats, who saw the 2006 elections as a mandate to redirect the war and Bush's domestic priorities. Instead, they found his goals unchanged and his clout barely diminished.

Facing a Democratic-run Congress after six years of GOP control, Bush repeatedly turned to actual or threatened vetoes, which can be overridden only by highly elusive two-thirds majority votes in both congressional chambers.

Bush's reliance on veto threats was so remarkable that "it's hard to say there are precedents for it," said Steve Hess, a George Washington University government professor whose federal experience began in the Eisenhower administration.

Previous presidents used veto threats more sparingly, Hess said, partly because they hoped to coax later concessions from an opposition-run Congress. But with the demise of major Bush initiatives such as revamping Social Security and immigration laws, Hess said, "you've got a president who doesn't want anything" in his final year.

Bush's scorched-earth strategy may prove riskier for Republicans who backed him, Hess said. Signs point to likely Democratic victories in the presidential and many congressional races next year, he said.

That is the keen hope of Congress' Democratic leaders, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada. They have admitted that Bush's intransigence on the war surprised them, as did the unbroken loyalty shown to him by most House and Senate Republicans.

Empowered by Bush's veto threats, Republican lawmakers rejected Democratic efforts to wind down the war, impose taxes on the wealthy to offset middle-class tax cuts, roll back tax breaks on oil companies to help promote renewable energy and conservation, and greatly expand federal health care for children.

Pelosi on Friday cited "reckless opposition from the president and Republicans in Congress" in defending her party's modest achievements.

Americans remain mostly against the war, though increasingly pleased with recent reductions in violence and casualties, an AP-Ipsos poll showed earlier this month. While a steady six in 10 have long said the 2003 invasion was a mistake, the public is now about evenly split over whether the U.S. is making progress in Iraq.

Opposition to the war is especially strong among the Democratic Party's liberal base. Some lawmakers say Pelosi and Reid should have told those liberal activists to accept more modest changes in Iraq, tax policies and spending, in the name of political reality.

"They never learned to accept the art of the possible," said Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., a former majority leader who is partisan but willing to work with Democrats. "They kept going right up to the limit and exceeding it, making it possible for us to defeat them, over and over again," Lott said in an interview.

He cited the Democrats' failed efforts to add billions of dollars to the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which Bush vetoed twice because of the proposed scope and cost. A somewhat smaller increase was possible, Lott said, but Democrats refused to negotiate with moderate Republicans until it was too late.

"They thought, 'We're going to win on the politics, we'll stick it to Bush,'" Lott said. "That's not the way things happen around here."

Some Democrats say House GOP leaders would have killed any bid to forge a veto-proof margin on the children's health bill. But others say the effort was clumsily handled in the House, where key Democrats at first ignored, and later selectively engaged, rank-and-file Republicans whose support they needed.

Some Washington veterans say Democrats, especially in the ostentatiously polite Senate, must fight more viciously if they hope to turn public opinion against GOP obstruction tactics. With Democrats holding or controlling 51 of the 100 seats, Republicans repeatedly thwart their initiatives by threatening filibusters, which require 60 votes to overcome.

Democrats should force Republicans into all-day and all-night sessions for a week or two, said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar for the right-of-center think tank American Enterprise Institute. The tactic wouldn't change senators' votes, he said, but it might build public awareness and resentment of GOP obstructionists in a way that a one-night talkfest cannot.

To date, Reid has resisted such ideas, which would anger and inconvenience some Democratic senators as well as Republicans.


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1 posted on 12/16/2007 11:22:48 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of Calif., left, smiles during a mock swearing-in ceremony for Rep. Robert Latta, R-Ohio, right, Thursday, Dec. 13, 2007, in Pelosi's office on Capitol Hill in Washington Lattas' wife Marcia holds the Bible at center. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke)


2 posted on 12/16/2007 11:23:25 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, center, joined by Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., left, House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., second from left, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, right, respond to President Bush's veto of the Iraq War Supplemental, in this May 1, 2007, file photo, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Haraz N. Ghanbari/FILE)


3 posted on 12/16/2007 11:25:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge
Norman Ornstein is an idiot. The Dems held a Pajama Party back in July and it flopped. I like to see them to do it again and again and again. So the country can see them in all their raw partisan glory. Complete with full BDS on display.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

4 posted on 12/16/2007 11:26:32 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Democrats have been passing the most irresponsible, expensive, and dangerous bills that we have ever seen, and they’re surprised that Republicans oppose them and Bush vetoes them?


5 posted on 12/16/2007 11:31:33 AM PST by digger48
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To: goldstategop
Ornstein is an idiot.

You got that right.

It is the Democratic nominee for the White House (and their Pubbie opposition) that will drive the Congressional elections in '08.

Everything else (including his really stupid commentary) is just background noise.
6 posted on 12/16/2007 11:32:09 AM PST by cgbg (Nada non nyet--nanny amnesty Huckabee.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder why there is no mention that the Democrats used the same tactics before 2006?


7 posted on 12/16/2007 11:33:10 AM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Goodness. You’d think the Democrats never vetoed, filibustered, or obstructed in their lives. And they’ve got an “expert” to say so! An expert, apparently, with a short memory.

Also, I’ve noticed for more than 50 years that if a Democrat majority in congress is frustrated, then the Republican president is behaving badly in partisan fashion toward “congress.”

But if a Republican majority in congress is frustrated by Democrats, then it’s the “partisan Republicans IN congress,” not “congress,” who are at fault. “Partisan” and “obstructionist” are words that only apply to Republicans.


8 posted on 12/16/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NormsRevenge

Remember Barbara Boxer waving her silly little gavel around, telling the Republicans on her committee that “Elections have consequences”? Hold that image in your mind while you contemplate their ineffectiveness...

Feels good, doesn’t it?


9 posted on 12/16/2007 11:35:01 AM PST by gridlock (Of all the pleasures of watching Hillary fail, the sweetest is watching Bill duck the blame...)
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To: NormsRevenge
"and greatly expand federal health care for children."

This outright Media LIE really burns me. Get it right garbage peddlers, Bush appoved a healthy increase, just not for 25 year old "children"

10 posted on 12/16/2007 11:41:41 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: NormsRevenge
Both parties seem convinced that voters will reward them 11 months from now. And they agree that Congress' gridlock and frustration are likely to continue until then

Take it from me, gridlock and frustration need not go together.

It is the Democrats who want to change things. It is Democrats who promised a "New Direction Congress". It is Democrats who will be held to task by their voters if they do not achieve anything for two long years.

Most Republicans are happy to freeze the legislative situation in January 2007. On the few things they want, they will blame the Democrats if they are unable to achieve them.

11 posted on 12/16/2007 11:44:16 AM PST by gridlock (Of all the pleasures of watching Hillary fail, the sweetest is watching Bill duck the blame...)
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To: gridlock
The Democrats can't get anything done. They're going to go to the voters and explain they should be rewarded for incompetence and failure. Yeah, right.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 12/16/2007 11:47:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
Democrats should force Republicans into all-day and all-night sessions for a week or two, said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar for the right-of-center think tank American Enterprise Institute. The tactic wouldn't change senators' votes, he said, but it might build public awareness and resentment of GOP obstructionists in a way that a one-night talkfest cannot.

"GOP obstructionists" Is this guy on the DNC payroll????

Plus, when the Republicans controlled the Senate we were told over and over again that the old fashioned (Jimmy Stewart) filibuster was IMPOSSIBLE to do now. So what is this 'scholar' talking about? Did he go senile all of a sudden.

And he can take his "GOP obstructionists" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

13 posted on 12/16/2007 11:50:09 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bush's reliance on veto threats was so remarkable that "it's hard to say there are precedents for it,"

WTF? He has threatened a veto 3 or 4 times this year and maybe 6 over the last 7 years.

14 posted on 12/16/2007 11:52:05 AM PST by OCC (Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time)
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To: NormsRevenge

‘Signs point to likely Democratic victories in the presidential and many congressional races next year, he said.’

They’re still dreaming. These people are so entrenched in La La land they should NEVER be close to power.


15 posted on 12/16/2007 11:53:17 AM PST by BeckB
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To: OCC
The President wasn't going to get confrontational with a Congress controlled by his own party. With the Democrats now running the show, he's had little incentive to compromise with opponents who want to tear down and discredit him in the twilight of his presidency.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 12/16/2007 11:54:27 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Condor51
Plus, when the Republicans controlled the Senate we were told over and over again that the old fashioned (Jimmy Stewart) filibuster was IMPOSSIBLE to do now. So what is this 'scholar' talking about? Did he go senile all of a sudden

No, when the Democrat Party is in power the "intellectuals" become forthright in their position as Democrat Stooges.

17 posted on 12/16/2007 12:01:11 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The concessions stunned many House and Senate Democrats, who saw the 2006 elections as a mandate to redirect the war and Bush's domestic priorities.

Their first mistake was seeing the 2006 election as a mandate to LOSE the war; people may have wanted a change of direction to WIN, but not to cut-and-run in defeat. And, BTW, a one seat majority in the Senate is hardly a "mandate" but they were too damn dumb to understand that.

18 posted on 12/16/2007 12:04:27 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: NormsRevenge
One too many "s" in that title.
19 posted on 12/16/2007 12:05:03 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: NormsRevenge
It's Obama's fault.

He had better stay clear of Ft. Marcy Park...

20 posted on 12/16/2007 12:07:07 PM PST by Bon mots
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