[Lorianne]

Very long and very scary article.

[Wil H]

didn’t read the article ..

..Did it mention how many of those gang members were illegals....?

Thought not...

[GOPJ]

For the most part, don’t they just kill each other? Not that that makes it OK, but...

[ansel12]

Are they really “juvenile” gangs?

[CGTRWK]

There are six times as many gangs in L.A. as there were a quarter century ago, and twice as many gang members.

Look on the bright side, the average gang is only one third as large!

[wizr]

Grew up in El Monte in the 50’s ‘n 60’s. Just a quiet place. Yeah, we had some racial fights, but nothing ongoing.

You put too many people in one place, I don’t care who they are, or if they are related, there are going to be disagreements.

SoCal is packed tight as a drum. There have been even riots in the past. But, now, I hate to think what a real breakdown will bring.

Why is it so easy to hate, and so difficult to care for each other?

[rustyboots]

I guess I might sound a little harsh, but since these people have no value on human life, why should we value their lives? I am sorry, when the civilized decide that barbarism is a preferred lifestyle, I can not value them anymore. Kill them like the animals they become; leave the bodies where thier “homies” can see them and keep doing it until they once again value life. If they don’t learn to value life again, then when they are dead and gone, maybe civilization may continue and the people who contribute may do so in some thing approaching security and peace.
I probably haven’t said this the right way, but it is from the heart. Maybe my brain just isn’t into caring for these people anymore.

[libs_kma]

Liberal application of the billy club might help with gangs and punks.

[TheLion]

Personally, I think they should round up gang members and check them out if they are legal....then deport the ones that aren’t.

[Lorianne]

On New Year’s Eve so much automatic weapons fire pours into Watts’ airspace that LAX air traffic control must divert the flight path of incoming planes.

The U.S. military sends its medics to train at local trauma hospitals because the conditions in their trauma units so resemble live warfare.

According to the Department of Justice, today America has at least 30,000 gangs, with 800,000 members, in 2,500 communities across the United States.

[NY Attitude]

In Los Angeles, law enforcement officials now warn that they have arrived at the end of their ability to contain gangs to poor minority and immigrant hot zones.

It is obvious that the police can no longer protect and serve. Yet in California, the police are totally against an armed citizenry. Hence my tagline.

[secretagent]

The drug war fuels this, big time.

Along with subsidized housing, health care, and government schools.

A perfect storm of government programs.

[hole_n_one]

From the Los Angeles Daily News, a 9/04 (8 part) series entitled Terror in our streets

[ex-Texan]

*BUMP*!

[Dogbert41]

Mandatory hard labor for life for any crime - felony or not- commited by a gang banger. Or, fence off Mexico and just dump them on the other side.

[Names Ash Housewares]

I have called it urban terrorism since the early eighties.

25 years later it’s worse then ever.

There is no courage to make the hard decisions to solve the problem.

[onedoug]

Why are criminal gangs legal?

[kellynla]

" According to the Department of Justice, today America has at least 30,000 gangs, with 800,000 members, in 2,500 communities across the United States. (Gang experts at the University of Southern California claim the number of American jurisdictions with gang problems has reached 4,000.) Federal, state and local law enforcement across the country agree that street gangs connected to or mimicking the L.A. model have become a national epidemic.

On New Year’s Eve so much automatic weapons fire pours into Watts’ airspace that LAX air traffic control must divert the flight path of incoming planes.

The U.S. military sends its medics to train at local trauma hospitals because the conditions in their trauma units so resemble live warfare...

Originally, L.A.’s street gangs were social and support organizations for immigrants and packs of neighborhood pals. Mostly their crimes were petty, and scores were settled with fists. Latinos and blacks generally stayed out of each other’s way.

All that changed forever in the late 1980s, when crack cocaine hit Los Angeles and neighborhood affiliation became secondary to what all the gangs now really wanted: a piece of the drug business...

By 2000, 65 percent of black male high school dropouts in their 20s were jobless — unable to find work, not seeking it or in jail.

By 2004, the number had climbed to 72 percent (compared with 34 percent of white and 19 percent of Hispanic dropouts). Today, 75 percent of Watts’ adult black male population will at some point go to jail or prison...

Recently, in Jordan Downs, a Grape Street clique rebuffed by a 14-year-old boy who refused to join gang-raped his 12-year-old sister, taped the attack, and showed the video to the boy. The boy gave in and joined.

Older gang members and veteran police say the neighborhoods are code-less and anarchic...a former Grape Street Crip. “So how do we deal with it? We don’t. Alcohol, sex, marijuana. People are totally numb.”... the projects are federal property.

But Colomey’s unit has only 16 officers on duty at any given time. (One evening last year, three of his officers found themselves in a running gun battle with more than 300 armed gang-bangers who had collected in a park.) When I spoke with Chief Bratton, he admitted he had little idea what he was getting into when he took this job. The entire LAPD force has roughly 9,000 officers serving about 3.8 million residents, while New York City has about 38,000 policemen serving a city of 8 million: roughly one cop for every 422 Angelenos * vs. one for every 210 New Yorkers."



The L.A.P.D claims there are 100K gang-members in L.A. And the last F.B.I. report I read, MS-13 is in 42 states and expanding. So anyone thinking that eliminating jobs for illegals will force them to return to their home country has another thought coming. MS-13 is looking for members and they don't speak English!

Solutions: Martial Law, National Guard in the projects which are federal property, curfews, deport MS-13 & ALL illegals after BOTH borders are secured and double the L.A.P.D. They better start building more prisons on those vacant military bases.

[LiberalBassTurds]

Looks very interesting. Ping for a read tomorrow.

LBT
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[Haddit]

What this article does not mention is that we have Special Order 40 here. This prevents our police from inquiring the legal status of immigration. Even if they are known Illegal Immigrants and known to have been deported before, it is illegal to pick up a criminal based on his legal status.

It does say “Watts and neighboring Compton, historically and famously black neighborhoods, are already roughly 70 percent Hispanic”
“Colombian cartels, looking to reduce the risk of American prosecution, had transferred the bulk of the trafficking part of the drug business to Mexican and Hispanic-American gangs”
“The average American has a 1-in-18,000 chance of being murdered. In this area of Los Angeles, the chances are 1 in 250.”
“In this neighborhood 90 percent of young men have been sexually abused. I will say 99 percent of ladies.”

We have a mayor that has turned our city into a Mexican style city. It is a sanctuary city. My guess is that 80 percent of the residents here are Hispanic and that most of them are illegal. It is true that they start out here and spread across the country. It will take a federal force to clean out all the illegal aliens and gangs. If we wait until the anchor babies become voters or the Democrats manage to make illegal aliens legal, then we will have failed.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Two reasons why gangs are exploding: The Drug War and Illegal Immigration. Get rid of both of them & you solve the problem.