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Walled Nativity Scene Borders On Anti-Semitism, Jewish Leaders Say
Crosswalk ^ | Julie Stahl

Posted on 12/14/2007 7:25:59 AM PST by Between the Lines

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To: RaceBannon

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Thanks again.


61 posted on 12/15/2007 8:38:25 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Eph 5:11-14John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: RaceBannon

Also, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16.


62 posted on 12/15/2007 8:45:08 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Eph 5:11-14John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Biggirl

The sale of Nativity scenes with a wall running through the middle to symbolize Israel’s security barrier borders on anti-Semitism, Jewish groups are saying.

But isn’t the article playing to the idea that the political definition of ‘anti-semitic’ is something that the Jews don’t like? Using a creche may be offensive to religious sensibilities of Christians, it may be wrong to appropriate it for political purposes, but it’s hardly an anti-semitic offense to Jews who don’t believe in the incarnation in the first place.


63 posted on 12/15/2007 8:45:18 AM PST by sobieski
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To: 444Flyer

Calling all Bereans! On Word!


64 posted on 12/15/2007 9:00:00 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Eph 5:11-14John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: RaceBannon; 444Flyer
"So, your Bible doesn’t contain ACTS 11:26?

:)"

"I stand corrected, Thank You. I am talking about those who proclaim to be “Christian” and aren’t at all."

Heehee! RaceBannon is an Olde FReeper and knows his Bible. He's been around since dirt.  !

65 posted on 12/15/2007 1:21:01 PM PST by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: sobieski; 444Flyer; RaceBannon; Convert from ECUSA; SJackson; Alouette
"...it may be wrong to appropriate it for political purposes, but it’s hardly an anti-semitic offense to Jews who don’t believe in the incarnation in the first place."

It's the wider conflict and the Arab's decades long bid to deligitimize the Jewish people and Israel in the eyes of anyone they can. This hatred is either overt and visible; sometimes sullen and passive aggressive—as in this case. It has little to do with the incarnation.

The Jewish people are quite familiar with this, thus they and their friends condemn it quickly.

66 posted on 12/15/2007 1:45:02 PM PST by Salem (What can men do against such reckless hate? ... Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them!)
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To: sobieski

...”but it’s hardly an anti-semitic offense to Jews who don’t believe in the incarnation in the first place.”

What about being an offense to those Jews who do?


67 posted on 12/15/2007 3:20:04 PM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Eph 5:11-14John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: billbears
One it's not anti-semitic. It makes a political point, and I think an even deeper religious one about Christ. Two, what does this guy care about a nativity scene? His faith doesn't believe in Christ so why should he care what's in it or not? Are we now to take the depiction of any wall as anti-semitic?

I'm not sure about the anti-Semitism of it, but I do think its a thinly veiled effort to inspire hatred toward Jews. The inescapable implication is that Jews are preventing Christians from worshiping their Lord with their infernal wall. Of course, Jews are just trying to protect themselves from getting blown up, so the thing is a vicious lie. I think Jews and all decent thinking folks, including the author are entitled to care.

68 posted on 12/15/2007 7:40:12 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: Deathmonger; Alouette
Terrorists aren’t preventing tourists from going to Bethlehem, the barrier is. Yes, Israel built the barrier to keep terrorists out and grab land to create a more defensible border than the Green Line provided. Innocent bystanders on both sides continue to suffer.

Why is a piece of protest art about the barrier’s economic effect on Bethlehem generating such hysterical reactions?

Nonsense on stilts. I always like to give a poster like you the benefit of the doubt: there's two possibilities: 1) ignorance 2) malice. Without one of these explanations, there is no other reason for a post so completely devoid of factual accuracy. So, I'll just put it down to ignorance and suggest you study the case before hitting that "post" button on your next comment.

Here's the facts. Tourists going to Bethlehem are not prevented at all by the "barrier". Going out of the protected area is simply not a problem. Innocent bystanders suffer because of one thing: arab terrorism. If they stopped, there would be no need for a "barrier" and no sufferring innocent bystanders.

I can't imagine what group someone calling him/herself "deathmonger" belongs to, but if your group is the subject of vicious propoganda calling itself art and the stakes are whether your family and friends get blown up, you might just get a little hysterical yourself, even if you are a "deathmonger".

69 posted on 12/15/2007 7:50:22 PM PST by JewishRighter (Anyone But Cankle (ABC))
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To: JewishRighter
Let's go back to what I found particularly offensive in this article:

O'Sullivan said the sets "come close to resurrecting the old anti-Semitic canard that says Jews killed Christ."

"The British have a very long history of anti-Semitism," said Morton Klein, head of the Zionist Organization of America. That, coupled with the fact that the most popular name for a newborn in England is now Mohammed, tells what is happening to England and Europe, he said.

"I'm not surprised by this type of racism against Jews and Israel," said Klein in a telephone interview.

These two gentlemen manage to defame Christians in general and the British in particular, and invoke "racism" as the motive behind some Arab carpenter protesting the barrier. There is no justification for this slander.

As far as the barrier itself, I recognize why the barrier is being constructed (both its defensive and land acquisition purposes) and that it has demonstrably protected Jews from Muslim bombers.

I also recognize the hardship and can empathize with the Arab who lives in a village surrounded by checkpoints and a fence. Note empathize does not mean sympathize, given that Arab terrorism is at the root. I predict that you can't.

The tactic of calling everybody who disagrees something a Jew says or does an "anti-Semite" or "self-loathing Jew" depending on their Jewishness is poisonous to discussion.
70 posted on 12/16/2007 1:18:36 AM PST by Deathmonger
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To: 444Flyer

Jews for Jesus?


72 posted on 12/16/2007 4:23:31 AM PST by sobieski
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To: Salem

To say that a display with a wall is tantamount to saying Jews killed Christ is pushing that canard way too far. True friends of Israel can make that distinction. In this case, there is nothing ‘anti-semitic’ in the display. It’s not even anti-zionist. It is not even anti the state of Israel. It is simply against a policy of the Israeli government.


73 posted on 12/16/2007 4:26:31 AM PST by sobieski
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To: Salem

BTW Are you saying that the State of Israel is above ANY criticism of its policies? There is no state that is so perfect.


74 posted on 12/16/2007 4:41:17 AM PST by sobieski
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To: 444Flyer
(Technically, the Roman soldiers did our dirty work if you want to get petty.)

Jesus was enthusiatically handed over to the Romans for crucifixion by the Jewish authorities. I'm not sure why we are supposed to pretend that the Romans just swooped in one day out of the blue and snatched Jesus. It's politically correct, but not biblical.

75 posted on 12/16/2007 5:37:13 AM PST by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God - Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Hacksaw

Like I stated, Jewish ‘authorities” or not they were only the instruments used to condemn Him but OUR DIRTY ROTTEN SINS put Him on the cross. And BTW, the Roman soldiers beat Him so badly that His face “...was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness-so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him.” (see Isaiah 52:13-15)


76 posted on 12/16/2007 9:12:25 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: Deathmonger

Isn’t it prejuidice to say that “the british have a long history of anti-semitism”? If something like that was said about the Jews the ADL would freak out.


77 posted on 12/16/2007 9:14:22 AM PST by sobieski
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To: sobieski

It is anti-zionist. Plain and simple.


78 posted on 12/16/2007 9:14:38 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: All; Between the Lines; sobieski; Hacksaw; Salem; RaceBannon; Deathmonger; Convert from ECUSA; ...

“I think myself that the shocking reply to the Syrophenician woman (it came alright to the end) is to remind all us Gentile Christians-who forget it easily enough and even flirt with anti-Semitism-that the Hebrews are spiritually senior to us, that God did entrust the descendants of Abraham with the first revelation of Himself.” - Letters of C.S. Lewis (14 May 1955), para.3, p. 263.


79 posted on 12/16/2007 9:39:46 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Rev 13:16-18,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: 444Flyer

So you agree, not anti semitic.


80 posted on 12/16/2007 10:31:44 AM PST by sobieski
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