Posted on 12/12/2007 4:42:37 PM PST by Kaslin
War On Terror: The question above, assuming we had 9/11 mastermind Mohammed Atta in custody on 9/10, is what those grilling the director of the CIA on interrogation techniques ought to be required to answer.
Democrats have created a climate where investigators are to follow some kind of Robert's Rules of Order and the interrogators are to be more fearful than those they interrogate. The next Khalid Sheik Mohammed or Abu Zubaydah can rest easy: Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., is looking out for you.
Director Hayden outlawed the technique in 2006. But we didn't necessarily want the terrorists to know that or what other techniques, like being forced to listen to Rosie O'Donnell, might be employed. If we do not torture, we would still want captured jihadists to think we do, that we will do more than read them their Miranda rights and ask if they want an attorney.
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You display an astounding lack of moral clarity with such a statement. It's the attitude of the lowest sort of moral reprobate to allow innocents to be murdered without doing whatever is necessary to stop it.
If it were your wife or children in imminent danger of being murdered by these savages you'd clamp the electrodes on some AQ goons testicles yourself.
Anyone who says anything different is a liar or a soulless monster.
L
Wouldn’t want you around if I needed a hand.
No. They would give him a preferred seat at the next DNC national meeting.
“I can just see the dems saying to Atta. Oh pretty please tell us what we want to know.”
Willie Horton moment. Would love the question to be asked of Hillary and Thompson. Would you have waterboarded Atta to get information that would have prevented 9/11.
How much worse could waterboarding be than listening to Reid and Pelosi...torture to me!
Only if he was a Christian Fundamentalist, a legitment gun owner, or a Conservative Republican.
The above named are the Democrat’s enemies. Not the muslims that want to kill everyone else in the world.
That is a debate question that will never be asked.
Rhey’d get him a suite at the local Hilton, as befits his usual lifestyle as one of the wealthy america haters that he is...and who knows how many tens of thousands of americans would have died because of it.
They would gladly have waterboarded Scooter Libby to get dirt on Bush.
What is the torture? Psychological abuse?
No more sleep deprevation, loud music etc.
The psyops at Waco were used on US citizens without much outrage. The military tanks were used to crunch of graves of family members to the horror of the people inside.
We can all agree that is was wrong to shoot federal agents (and it was wrong for the federal agents to kick the crap out of the media team they invited to cover their raid).
So what is “torture” and have we engaged in it?
There are some who say that the nations under influence of the Reagan administration used torture of the type like slicing a finger open and pulling the skin back and then eventually cutting off. Waterboarding is a world away from that sort of brutality.
And what is a license to kill? Do agents have this authority or should all hits be executions by the State after a long and public trial on US soil?
We should be offering the jihadists at Gitmo more than just korans. We should be informing them that they no longer are living under an Islamic supremacist environment and are free to read ANY religious texts.
No, you may not deliberately deprive of sleep or food or water etc, unresisting men entirely under your power for the purpose of coercing them to do your bidding. I really don't care what you can or can't extract from them, extraction is not my concern in the matter at all.
As for your silly Waco example, I wouldn't bring up notorious excesses of tyranny against fellow citizens - it is poor salesmenship and reminds people that the government cannot even be trusted to direct its attentions to people who deserve it or cases that actually matter for anything. But no, loudspeakers in that case were not the same as torturing people under one's full control, because it was not directed at men under control. It was a stupid and ineffective, childish and inane tactic, but it was tactics against still resisting men, not deliberate cruelty to those who had already surrendered.
Have we engaged in torture? By all press accounts, yes, in at least several high profile cases. Have we stopped doing so? I hope so. Do we occasionally wink at it being committed by allies, and connive at it, handing people over to torture? Probably. Which is a crime against humanity if it happens.
Also, what is this "we" bit? I point out that no possible claim on my loyalty can run in favor of a torturer, or of anyone who endorses or defends it.
The thing I have against terrorists is that they kill innocent people indiscriminately. Now, make all the people they kill no longer innocent, and the just objection to their conduct would disappear. That way lies sorrow. And indeed, such moral contagion is one of the first things to fear from terrorists.
As for killing enemies, no problem. Killing an actively resisting combatant is not torture of any kind. The objection to torture is not at all that it hurts, or any regard for the enemies that it hurts. It is, instead, a strong aversion to putting up with the fiends from the pit who perform it - and enjoy it thoroughly. Human experience has taught mankind that men who get that particular brainstorm and get at all used to it, exit the human race for a lower region, and do not return.
If death comes to any such, by any passing circumstance or accident, God himself would call it justice. So if our society and state wish to deserve allegiance from any actual human beings, as opposed to twisted damned things from the pits of hell, they should avoid the practice like a plague.
Is that clear enough for you, or do you want a diagram?
Not giving a lick whether you are damnable, only whether you are alive, is not a mark of a souled anything, but the definition of "soulless".
Given the chance, Rats would drool to “draw and quarter” our President.
Quite clear. Food for thought.
And please, don't try this on your siblings.
I suggest you learn the difference between "surrender" and "capture".
L
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