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Cult Group Controversies: Conceptualizing "Cult" and "Sect"
Religious Movements ^ | Jeffrey K Hadden

Posted on 12/12/2007 9:57:40 AM PST by xzins

Some Key Definitions (multiple definitions to be added here)

CHURCH: a conventional religious organization SECT: a deviant religious organization with traditional beliefs and practices.

CULT: a deviant religious organization with novel beliefs and practices.

Stark and Bainbridge, 1987: 124 1

In 1993 David Bromley and I edited a two-volume work entitled The Handbook of Cults and Sects in America. In our introductory essay to that volume we wrote as follows:

"We have chosen to use the concepts "cults" and "sects" in the title of this volume for two reasons. First, the concepts do have more or less precise meanings as employed by social scientists. Second, it has become abundantly clear that after nearly two decades, the concept new religious movements has virtually no recognition either in the mass media or the general public. By calling attention to the concepts as they are used by social scientists, we hope to begin the long process of educating the mass media and public regarding the non-pejorative meaning of these words."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: church; cult; sect
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To: samtheman

I think so. Maybe Scientology will one day flame out like Peoples Temple did. Hopefully not as violently.


21 posted on 12/12/2007 10:25:41 AM PST by olivia3boys
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To: xzins

Chaplain,

Here is the problem with those terms. Nobody other than those of us who have studied other religions uses the terms as anything other THAN a perjorative.

I’m pretty sure that the Huckabee story in the NTY this weekend about the LDS and the Christ/Satan brother thing is going to start another round of ‘cult’ comments for the LDS. And nobody will be saying it in a nice way.

My experience has been that sociology has not been all that kind of religion of people of religion despite the generally valid definitions you’ve put forward.

(Full disclosure to everybody else: I’m not LDS. I’m not related to anybody LDS. I’m not formerly LDS. I live in Las Vegas so I obviously know lots and lots of LDS. And I’m not supporting Mitt Romney. I’m NOT forwarding anybody elses agenda. K?)


22 posted on 12/12/2007 10:30:41 AM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: olivia3boys

Yes. I believe Jones was pastor of a Christian Church (Disciples) group in Indianapolis.

He was leading a little separatist group beneath the radar and was advocating himself as some kind of messiah.

Definitely a cult....a deviating group with novel beliefs within a larger church


23 posted on 12/12/2007 10:31:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: olivia3boys

your definitions would fit a handful of interesting possibilities if taken scientifically:

1. The US Army
2. “The Apprentice”
3. The CIA

Lets hope that “The Apprentice” doesn’t stick around long enough to gain religion status.


24 posted on 12/12/2007 10:33:27 AM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: bpjam

The entire fields of sociology, social psychology, and psychology use these terms in these ways.

They are clear and measurable and are not pejorative.

They are used to describe religious movements.

As mentioned, Christianity was once a Jewish cult/sect.


25 posted on 12/12/2007 10:34:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins
That is not the sociological definition

Don't assume we care what sociologists say

The common understanding of "cult" involves severing contact and communication with people outside the group, alienation of members against family and former friends who might be outside the group, etc.

26 posted on 12/12/2007 10:41:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: olivia3boys

Islam seems to have some aspects of “cult”, by your points (1) and (2). There are quite definite consequences to trying to leave the group


27 posted on 12/12/2007 10:44:20 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: samtheman
A religion is a cult that stands the test of time?

Well I guess depends on various definitions...and maybe who gets to write the history books.

For a few years (guessing about 200 somewhere in the window of post apostle, pre-nicea) Christianity was considered a cult in Rome and other places. I say Rome primarily because at that period of time Rome was the center of the 'civilized' world.

28 posted on 12/12/2007 10:46:57 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: xzins

social scientists don’t get it—

CHURCH = man following God

CULT = man following man


29 posted on 12/12/2007 10:47:06 AM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Craine)
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To: olivia3boys

Going by the definitions in the article above I’d say that a group could considered a cult without meeting either of the first two conditions that you mention. I can’t think of any examples off-hand, since many (most?) cults do seem to have those properties, however.


30 posted on 12/12/2007 10:47:41 AM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: xzins
The entire fields of sociology, social psychology, and psychology use these terms in these ways. They are clear and measurable and are not pejorative.

Do sociologists have a term for a group that uses the cover of religion to create a group closed against "outsiders", alienates members against "outsiders", and demands total loyalty of members to the group and its leaders?

31 posted on 12/12/2007 10:48:30 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: Domandred

Islam is considered a religion and not a cult. And yet everything we think of instinctively when we think of the word ‘cult’ is embodied in Islam, times a million.

So in a sense, there is no objective criteria beyond number of adherents and time on earth. Once you’re established, you’re a religion, no matter how sick and evil your practices are.


32 posted on 12/12/2007 10:49:02 AM PST by samtheman
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To: PapaBear3625

that would probably be a cult....as in the Jim Jones example up above


33 posted on 12/12/2007 10:54:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: samtheman

I understand that Islam was a mixture of a bit of Judaism & a touch of Christianity with the tribal religion of Mohammed.

In that regard, it would originally have been a cult of that religion...whatever it was.


34 posted on 12/12/2007 10:55:58 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: xzins

But in a sense, it has retained its cult characteristics. If you convert from Islam to Christianity you are marked for death. Can’t get more cultish than that. And yet it is “generally accepted” to be a religion. In fact, we are taught, it’s a Religion of Peace. (Even though it has about a million times more suicide victims than Jim Jones.)


35 posted on 12/12/2007 10:58:53 AM PST by samtheman
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To: olivia3boys

Scientology tosses out thousands of members per year...once their cash flow has been milked. You can’t stay in the faith unless there is potential to milk more money out of you. It can’t flame out...it simply looks for wasted minds who feel inadequate and have cash...and recruits them. There is NO violent end to Scientology....it just continues on.


36 posted on 12/12/2007 10:59:09 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: xzins

Cult and sect both miss the point — the question is: Are they heretics?


37 posted on 12/12/2007 12:21:24 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: xzins

A wise observation, imho.

LOL.

Thx.


38 posted on 12/12/2007 12:41:27 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: xzins

Across the globe:

Religion: Your faith.

Cult/Sect: All the other faiths.


39 posted on 12/12/2007 12:54:15 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: xzins

Unfortunately, the terms are only useful in an academic setting because the words are already defined in the public square with definitions which are far more derogatory.

Its like the term liberal. People who are liberal don’t want to use it because it means ‘tax and spend’ to the American public. Now while I tend to agree that they should be embarrassed to be liberals, it is now a toxic term and not just a definition of their beliefs and it is used by most people as a perjorative.

If you go to a mall and ask people to define the word ‘sect’ or ‘cult’, you will likely get 80+ percent responses which have negative or destructive meanings.

Up until the last decade, there was one prominent organization here in the US (and lots of other smaller ones) which exclusively attacked all religious groups in the country which weren’t more than 200 years old (and a couple which were). They used the word cult as the definition of religious groups which were dangerous, bizarre, unusual, evil or deserving of law enforcement intervention. And the media spent the last 30 years using the words sect and cult to attack every religious group which didn’t have lobbyists.

I’ve had a bunch of religious organizations as clients in the past who where on the ‘cult’ list who were targetted either for destruction or public alienation via the media. And the word ‘cult’ especially was basically like calling somebody ‘racist’. It was used as a way to immediately end the discussion about the credibility of any religious group just like Jesse Jackson uses ‘racist’ to end the discussion about whether some Republican is or isn’t right about his views on anything.

I realize that you are arguing that these words should be used in their original definitions and in the academic sense. But I’m arguing that the words are already defined by the public and its the religious equivalent to using the N word. If I call your religion a ‘cult’, your only response will be to try to explain how you aren’t in a cult. Its unfortunate but its a reality. And I’ve seen it happen not only to religions like the LDS, Scientology, Jehovahs Witnesses and Christian Scientists but also Opus Dei, Lubavitchers and Nazarenes.

And you are probably aware that there is a non-insignificant segment of the sociology community who consider religion essentially a mental illness (unless religion caused you to become more accepting of abortion, alternative lifestyles and larger welfare programs) and an even larger part of the psychological community treats religion like something which should be treated with psycho-active drugs. It seemed like the ‘good and evil’ and ‘right and wrong’ teachings of religion where the parts which piss them off the most.


40 posted on 12/12/2007 12:56:00 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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