Posted on 12/11/2007 4:12:59 PM PST by Tlaloc
Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"
The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The authoritative Encyclopedia of Mormonism, published in 1992, does not refer to Jesus and Satan as brothers. It speaks of Jesus as the son of God and of Satan as a fallen angel, which is a Biblical account.
A spokeswoman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Huckabee's question is usually raised by those who wish to smear the Mormon faith rather than clarify doctrine.
"We believe, as other Christians believe and as Paul wrote, that God is the father of all," said the spokeswoman, Kim Farah. "That means that all beings were created by God and are his spirit children. Christ, on the other hand, was the only begotten in the flesh and we worship him as the son of God and the savior of mankind. Satan is the exact opposite of who Christ is and what he stands for."
Romney did not respond to a request for comment.
Earlier this month in Iowa, Huckabee wouldn't say whether he thought Mormonism — rival Romney's religion — was a cult.
"I'm just not going to go off into evaluating other people's doctrines and faiths. I think that is absolutely not a role for a president," the former Arkansas governor said.
(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...
According to Mormon theology, God the Father lives on a planet with His spirit wives procreating spirit children who await physical bodies to inhabit. As we learned earlier, Jesus is the first son born to Elohim. God the Father had numerous other offspring, which included Lucifer. This makes him a spirit brother of Jesus and of all human beings. Mormon theologian LeGrand Richards writes, "Satan was just as much a man in the spirit world, as were those spirits who have been given bodies through birth in this world."{9}9. LeGrand Richards, A Marvelous Work and Wonder (Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Publishng Company), 277.
I’m just about convinced that Huckabee is a Clinton plant.
Darn, it looks like I’ll have to post a whole bunch to get to my 1200.
“I once knew a man with a wooden leg named Smith... What was the name of his other leg?”
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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
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IMO, as a born again Christian, Huckabee is a joke.
Christ was not created. He is co-eternal, begotten not made, of one substance with the Father.
Belief in a created Jesus is Arianism. See...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism
I do so because tanc is the only one to boycot the spanish debates. He also scores slightly higher on the conservative test. For awhile I was thinking about voting fred because he ranks higher in the polls. BUt then I started thinking, if I start going by the polls, I should vote for mccain or rudy. And that just doesn’t make any sense. So fred’s out.
Also, in the yutube debate, tanc got a little riled up over the question about funding to put a man on a mission to mars. He said we can’t do everything we have to choose the important things and stop spending so much. I liked that. I may dissagree with him on what he chooses to fund and what not to fund, but at least he is willing to NOT fund SOMETHING. Everyone else wants to fund everything they get their hands on.
Well, everyone except ron paul. He wants to stop funding everything. Including the war. THat would be dumb. We’ve already spend a bundle on the war. If we quit now, all that money is wasted. Might as well finish it up the right way and get our money’s worth. THat’s how I see it.
I haven't voted for a democrat in over twenty years, but I will vote third party before I vote for another born-again "Christian". Bush and Carter were quite enough. We don't need another clown in the Oval Office who thinks he sees the image of Jesus in oil slicks or that he has a personal hot line to the man upstairs.
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What is begotten?
Mormons believe that all people are eternal. They teach that in some form they have always been around, being born into heaven was a similar event to being born on earth. They believe that we existed in a spirit world before coming to earth, heaven if you will. They believe that they were born to God in a way similar to being born to their earthly fathers.
I don’t know anybody who has been there, heaven so it is kinda of hard to argue the point.
Bad analogy to use when generalizing from something involving two people to an entity involving three hundred million. There were enough people of different faith traditions wandering about in this land over two hundred years ago for our Founding Fathers to specify that religious "tests" were not to be countenanced.
Why is that tiny girl in the back? THey shoulda put her in the front.
Them's some well-fed youngun's there! Also, no fashion sense whatsoever...
What was the name of his other leg?”,,Bob..?,,Pete,,or repeat..
Your only a thousand shy,,don’t give up..
Their tactics are nearly impeccable. They are, however, tactics.
So far, he's not tried to overtly mock Christian beliefs, like this attempt to mock Mormon teaching. Now, his "freedom requires religion" thing is offputting to atheists like myself, but the evangelicals he wants to reach seem to have no problem with that idea, unless they're quibbling over exactly which denomination of Christianity is most suitable for America.
Doing my part to reach that 1200!
The more Huckabee talks, the more I begin to not like the guy. More importantly, the less I trust him.
The LDS church leaders have not commented on Romney’s abortion stance because they do not make any political statements. They don’t support specific candidates. It’s is the Mormon member’s responsibility to study the issues, voting records and such and decide for themselves.
I am no friend of Mitt Romney. I do not like his past governing record, and have no interest in having him as a president. I did not listen to his Faith speech, because frankly, actions speak louder than words. Matthew 7:20 says that “by their fruits ye shall know them.” Didn’t like his fruits, will not vote for him.
That said, I would like to explain that I believe, and all members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints believe, that all of us on this earth are brothers and sisters. This simple idea is premised in that we are all spirit sons and daughters of a Heavenly Father, or God. When you consider everyone around you as a brother or sister, and act accordingly, it makes the world a better place. So, even if you don’t agree with the idea, it has great merit. I happen to believe it. When the foundation of that aspect of our belief is understood, the fact that someone points out an unexpected relationship is a non-issue. I also happen to believe that Moses is your brother, and Judas.... and most amazing and humbling of all, Jesus. Jesus was the only physical son of the Father, though. That made it possible for Him to atone for our sins.
He might say something like "why do they call the Virgin Mary, "Blessed"?..
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I’m not here to debate theology, just pointing out what Trinitarian Christians believe. As you have so aptly pointed out Mormons do not beleive the same as Trinitarian Christians.
Below I will provide some sources on Trinitarian belief. Please know that I am not a Romney supporter nor am I a Huckabee supporter. I support Hunter and Thompson. I do not support Romeny, Huckabee nor Giuliani and that position has nothing to do with the religion of any one of them. I believe them to be Rinos and I will only support conservative candidates.
http://www.basictheology.com/articles/Trinity_Development/full/
Also from Wikipedia...
Trinitarians
Most Christians believe that God is spirit (John 4:24), an uncreated, omnipotent, and eternal being, the creator and sustainer of all things, who works the redemption of the world through his Son, Jesus Christ. With this background, belief in the divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit is expressed as the doctrine of the Holy Trinity,[31] which describes the single Divine substance existing as three distinct and inseparable persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ the eternal Word), and the Holy Spirit (1 John 5:7). According to this doctrine, God is not divided in the sense that each person has a third of the whole; rather, each person is considered to be fully God (see Perichoresis). The distinction lies in their relations, the Father being unbegotten, the Son begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeding.[32] “Begotten,” in these formulae, refers to the idea that Jesus was uncreated and “eternally begotten” of the Father.
Christians of Reformed theology also conceive salvation to be one work of the triune God in which “the three divine persons act together as one, and manifest their own proper characteristics” with the agency of the Holy Spirit as an essential element.”[33]
Trinitarian Christians trace the orthodox formula of the Trinity — The Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost — back to the resurrected Jesus himself who spoke these words, and which words were subsequently recorded in Matthew 28:16-20, and are commonly referred to as the Great Commission.
The “Indwelling of the Holy Spirit” has been called the “common privilege of all believers.”[34] John 20:22 quotes Jesus as saying to His apostles, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” They were to receive the Holy Spirit Himself in some way. Nearly all Christians speak of the “Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.” The person who has “received the Holy Spirit” thereafter not only has a sinful nature and carnal desires. According to this theological position, there now is also a second, competing, moral presence, that of the Holy Spirit, forever indwelling within him/her. From that point on, the person is able to see daily situations from either of two perspectives, and as a result, can choose to respond in a moral, Christian manner. However, the Christian often ignores these ethical, moral, positive thoughts inspired by the presence (indwelling) of the Holy Spirit, and respond in some selfish or lustful way as their own original nature desires.[35] (John 16:7-14; 1 Corinthians 2:10ff)
In Catholic, Orthodox, and some Anglican theology, this indwelling is received through the sacrament called Confirmation or, in the East, Chrismation. In most Protestant traditions, the “Indwelling of the Holy Spirit” takes place in the action of becoming a Christian.[35]
The New Testament also teaches that the Holy Spirit inspired all Scripture,[36] a belief shared by most Christians.[37]
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