Posted on 12/11/2007 2:09:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
How come then, the head of the minute men has endorsed Huck?
Well, Romney and McCain can use the Clintonian “Depends on what the meaning of the word “is” is.” But to the non kool aid drinkers, we know amnesty when we see it.
Symbolic trivial punishment plus head of the line privileges equal AMNESTY.
Huckabee's a eunuch when it comes to security. If it's him vs. Hillary, watch for Hillzilla to win. Hucakbee's psalm-sobbing, amnesty-granting and sentence-commuting are going to make her look like Margaret Thatcher, Britain's Iron Lady; and his creepy, soft spoken manner will make Hillary's screeching rants sound merely like the arguments of a self-assured, intelligent woman.
Constitutionally a president has no power over a city, only a governor does. A governor can cut state aid, can restrict many state functions that cities depend on, can close the registry of motor vehicle offices in the city, can deny colleges and high schools the right to confer diplomas (every graduation I have been to the president of the college says “and now by the authority granted to me by the state of xxx, I confer upon you the following degree”), can deny state-issued licenses in that city.
The notion that a governor is powerless over the cities in his state is silly, and sillier if one is to believe that a president has more power over a city than a governor does.
I tend to agree with you.
Huckabee promotes "open door" policy at LULAC convention
Arkansas News Bureau
01/30/2005
(excerpted, click here to read the whole story)
LITTLE ROCK - In a impassioned speech before hundreds of influential Hispanic civil rights leaders from across the nation, Gov. Mike Huckabee told a captive audience Wednesday that America is great because it has always opened it doors up to people seeking a better way of life.
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Despite several light moments, Huckabee did not stray away from several controversial issues that made him a target of criticism during the recently ended 85th General Assembly. He said Arkansas needs to make the transition from a traditional Southern state to one that recognizes and cherishes diversity "in culture, in language and in population."
"This is an issue that is going to require extraordinary efforts on both sides of the border, particularly those coming from Mexico," Huckabee said of verifying the status of illegal aliens. "But I am confident that our government will recognize that we should accommodate people who wish to provide the best opportunities for their families (and) employers so that we can make sure our economy has the necessary work force."
During the legislation session, Huckabee criticized an immigration bill by Republican senators Jim Holt of Springdale and Denny Altes of Fort Smith as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.
Senate Bill 206, which died in the Senate, would have required proof of citizenship to register to vote and also force state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally. Holt, R-Springdale, replied later to Huckabee's comments that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.
The Republican governor, who many believe will run for president in 2008, also backed legislation that would have opened the door for illegal immigrants in Arkansas to receive college scholarships.
House Bill 1525 by Rep. Joyce Elliott, D-Little Rock, was approved by the House but eventually failed in the Senate. Huckabee reiterated Wednesday that he believes every child, regardless of their parent's immigration status, should have an opportunity to receive an education in the U.S.
"I ... believe that an education for every child is the most important single factor to give everyone to be their very best," he said.
Huckabee, callers go toe-to-toe on immigration
Arkansas News Bureau
02/03/2005
(excerpted, click here to read the whole story)
LITTLE ROCK - Gov. Mike Huckabee got to speak directly Wednesday with Arkansans who don't like his positions on immigration.
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But the governor did not back down on his positions in support of certain benefits for the children of illegal aliens, such as allowing prenatal care for pregnant immigrants and his proposal to offer scholarships to undocumented children who graduate from an Arkansas high school.
He also criticized Senate Bill 206 by Sen. Jim Holt, R-Springdale, that would impose new restrictions on illegal immigrants in Arkansas. The governor's comments were in response to a caller who expressed concern about the bill's effect on plans for a Mexican consulate's office in Little Rock.
"I don't think that bill is going to pass," Huckabee said. "If it were to pass, it might have an impact but ... the impact would be greater than even the Mexican consulate."
He said the bill could hurt the state's ability to recruit industries based in countries outside the U.S., such as Toyota or Nestle, a Swiss company.
"If we send a message that essentially if you don't look like us, talk like us and speak like us we don't want you, it has tremendous economic repercussions," Huckabee said.
States may disobey new ID rules, fight them in court
USA Today
05/10/2005
(excerpted, click here to read the whole story)
WASHINGTON (AP) — States are threatening to challenge in court and even disobey new orders from Congress to start issuing more uniform driver's licenses and verify the citizenship or legal status of people getting them.
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"Governors are looking at all their options. If more than half of the governors agree we're not going down without a fight on this, Congress will have to consider changing this unfunded federal mandate," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, vice chairman of the National Governors Association. A Huckabee aide said the options include court action.
Immigration bill un-Christian, anti-life, governor says
Arkansas News Bureau
01/28/2005
(excerpted, click here to read the whole story)
LITTLE ROCK - Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.
Holt, R-Springdale, replied later that Christian charity does not include turning a blind eye to lawbreaking.
Senate Bill 206, filed Wednesday, also would require proof of citizenzhip to register to vote and would require state agencies to report suspected cases of people living in the country illegally.
"Somebody needs to ask Sen. Holt what welfare this bill would stop," Huckabee said in a question-and-answer period with reporters on Thursday morning. Many aid programs are state-administered but federally funded and are mandated to be available to people in need, Huckabee said.
Even if benefits to people who are in the U.S illegally could be stopped, "I don't understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state," Huckabee said.
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Huckabee said he took exception to characterization of immigrants in the bill and by its supporters as exploiters of social programs. "They pay sales taxes on their groceries," Huckabee said. "They pay fuel taxes. If they're using a fake Social Security number, they're paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit. It would be closer to the truth to say they're subsidizing Joe McCutchen and Jim Holt more than the other way around.
"Something that's not worth sharing is not worth celebrating," Huckabee said. "This is the kind of country that opens its doors. This bill expresses an un-American attitude."
You seem to have all the answers, I figured you would know the explanation.
It's time to face reality. It's 23 days until Iowa. Hunter and Tancredo are not going to win. Of the three who look like they have a chance at the nomination - Rudy, Mitt and Huck - Mitt's immigration plan is the closest to Hunter's and Tancredo's.
Governor Romney proposes an immigration plan with the following features:
• Secure The Border. Governor Romney will follow through on the Congressional commitment to build a physical and technological fence along the southern border, and secure other points of entry throughout the country. He will also increase border control enforcement and resources.
• Implement An Enforceable Employer Verification System. Issue a biometrically-enabled and tamperproof card to non-citizens and create a national database for non-citizens so employers can easily verify their legal status in this country.
• Hold Employers Accountable. Governor Romney will make it easier for employers to verify legal and work authorization status of non-citizens through a federal database. Employers will be held accountable if they hire illegal immigrants with stiffer fines and penalties.
• Reject Amnesty. No special path to citizenship or permanent residency for those here illegally. People in the country illegally should not get any benefit by being here and should go to the back of the line behind all those who have applied for citizenship. They should return to their home countries under a reasonable attrition program and be replaced in the work force with U.S. citizens and legal immigrants.
For the 12+ million illegal aliens in the country now, Romney favors immediate deportation of convicted criminal illegal aliens and deportation of illegal aliens who refuse to get off public welfare assistance. For the remaining illegal aliens already in the country, they would be eligible to apply for U.S. citizenship from their home country and would enter the process at the back of the line behind all other current applicants.
• End The Magnet Of "Sanctuary Cities." Cut back federal funding to cities that are “sanctuaries” for illegal immigrants and refuse to comply with federal law or aid federal law enforcement. Sanctuary cities tell those who are here illegally that the laws of this country do not matter and become magnets for illegal immigration.
• Oppose Any Special Benefits For Illegal Immigrants. Governor Romney opposes giving driver's licenses or in-state tuition to those here illegally. He believes states should not provide those types of incentives. As President, he will cut back federal funding to states that do so.
• Promote State And Local Partnerships With Federal Immigration Officials. Governor Romney believes more state and local authorities should work with the federal government to enforce immigration laws. This builds off of his experience in Massachusetts where he deputized the State Police to work with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and enforce federal immigration laws.
Governor Romney:
"I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S.... As governor, I took a very different approach. McCain-Kennedy gives benefits to illegals that would cost taxpayers millions. And more importantly, amnesty didn't work 20 years ago, and it won't work today."
Sen. John McCain and former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani stood alone among the Republican presidential candidates in last night's Spanish-language debate in calling for some illegal aliens to be granted a path to citizenship.
"None of us have been perfect — all of us have been struggling with this for a long time," Mr. Giuliani said, summing up the flip-flops most of the top-tier Republican candidates have made on the issue during the presidential campaign.
He and Mr. McCain said that after the border is secure, the illegal alien population can be addressed, with some being allowed to stay.
"The people who want to come forward should be allowed to come forward," Mr. Giuliani said.
But the other candidates said that doing so would be a disservice to those waiting in line at home and called for illegal aliens to go home and re-enter the U.S. legally.
I had the impression CNN was enjoying the infighting. I could admire how they can conceal their salivation. There may be a few who can see behind their presentation. In the interests of the American public, of course.
They are going to pull out all stops for their masters. No favours for the pubbies.
Again, if we were to turn a blind eye to his record, Romney is certainly talking the conservative talk at the moment, but only the hopelessly naive would believe that a man Romney’s age suddenly changed all of his core beliefs.
Bottom line, Romney was either lying through his teeth to get elected in Mass, or he is lying through his teeth to get elected president. Either way, the only thing that is conclusive is that he is in fact a liar and since you get what you vote for, I’ll sit this one out if Romney is on the ticket.
Your country will thank you for your staunch adherence to some sort of over-inflated sense of self, when Hillary is sitting in the Oval Office with her much preferable illegal immigration plans (or Rudy or Huck — which is not much better).
However, if Hillary is in office at least the GOP may be able to find a backbone and oppose her legalization plan. Hillary would galvanize the opposition to her proposals. However, if one of the RINO’s gets in office, many in the GOP will go along with whatever he proposes out of a misguided sense of loyalty. This refusal to stand on principal, when something stupid comes from a president in your own party came very close to shoving amnesty down our throats the first time and resulted in massive increases in government spending, essentially turning the GOP into the DNC light.
I’m just not lending my vote to the further sell out of conservative principles.
Hunter is the only one of those names worth keeping!
A governor cannot just unilaterally cut state aid whenever he feels like it. He can do it if a city is in violation of some state law, but sanctuary cities are not in violation of any state law.
Hence doing any of the things you suggest would require new state legislation. Do you really expect an 80% Democrat MA state legislature to cut state aid to sanctuary cities?
Get real.
Well, that seems to be your problem. You make outlandish statements like that that damage your credibility. You either have not read the various and diverse immigration proposals or you are not comprehending the vast differences in them. In a previous post, I pointed out that at the last debate McCain and Rudy were the only two open to a special pathway. The rest are not. That's a huge difference.
Additionally, it's almost impossible to believe HUck will be tough on illegal immigration after all of the harsh statements he's made against tough enforcement and pro-illegals. On the other hand, while in office, Mitt was already tough on illegals. He's already acted on his beliefs. It's more than mere words.
In any event, the only true RINOs are Rudy and Huck (McCain to some extent too with his Gang of 14) and the only person who has a shot at stopping either of them is Mitt. You obviously cannot see that or refuse to admit it. It shouldn't be about you and your supposed superior principles; it's about our country.
Romney brags about how successful he was in vetoing state budgets. He could have vetoed any budget that included aid to his six sanctuary cities, and did nothing.
As for closing DMV offices, he can call the registrar of motor vehicles, appointed by Romney, and say “move all the DMV employees out of Cambridge and close the offices there until they stop this sanctuary stuff”, yet he didn’t. He does NOT need the legislature to do that, or any of the other things I mentioned, since they are all functions that come out of the executive branch. The legislature would have to act to stop him.
When Harvard asks for certifications, Romney could have said, I will NOT certify diplomas in Cambridge until you stop this sanctuary nonsense, and go ahead, take me to court! But he did not.
Yet he brags that he’ll get tough on other sanctuary cities, in other states, if only I ignore his record and vote for him! How will he do this without the legislature going along? As president, the executive branch has little power over individual states, let alone cities. As president he’ll have less power over the cities, not more.
He’s making empty promises that he can’t back up with experience. Most of his record is things done for show.
Good post....thanks!
Wow....good finds. Looks like Fred would have voted for amnesty, if he was still in the senate.
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